School may drop Lincoln holiday in favor of Cesar Chavaz birthday [California]

Oakland Tribune ^ | May 6, 2000 | Jason Bono

[one2many]

Use Google.

[Non-Sequitur]

I think that all of his biographies agree that Forrest was involved with the Klan in a leadership role, but there is little evidence that he actually founded the organization.

[Non-Sequitur]

Don't hold your breath.

[Bonaparte]

Yes, they also deprive the consumer of much-needed goods and services. You will no doubt notice that the official state holiday for Chavez (March 31) is a paid holiday, which means the taxpayer will take a net loss, paying state employees to do absolutely nothing. Would these employees take the day off to honor Chavez if it meant sacrificing a day's pay or using up a day of sick leave? I sincerely doubt it. It's a state employees' union pay hike in disguise.

[bok]

Anyone buy into the Aztlan movement? Up next re-writing history that has anything positive to say about caucasians.

Crosby street changed to Cesar Chavez parkway

"Historical research indicates that 23rd Street and the streets surrounding it were all renamed after famous naval officers of the period," Hennes said. "Crosby Street was probably named after Rear Adm. Pierce Crosby, a hero of the Civil War and former commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet."

[bok]

Politics aside this is disturbing what progressive california is doing. This is much bigger than north and south.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Of course they could say they're naming the school after the boxer, Cesar Chavaz. He probably had a better record than the lettuce guy of the same name or Lincoln at 103-5-2 (86 KOs).

[4CJ]

Your state is in there somewhere isn't it? :^)

LOL - yes - Georgia is in your list. Assuming you managed to part with $1000 while here - the hotel/motel taxes, state sales taxes, local option sales taxes, special local option sales taxes, gasoline tax, sin taxes etc, you might have contributed $100 in revenues. Divided by the 8,186,453 residents, my share isn't much, but I'll be sure to ask my congressman to spend it wisely. Thank you.

[BlackElk]

Contact Thomas Fleming, Ph.D., President, Rockford Institute, 323 North Main Street, Rockford, Illinois. He will gladly provide you with the evidence.

[CounterCounterCulture]

Whoops, my bad.

I've lived in California way too long. I should have said Mexicans.

[BlackElk]

Sherman made war on women and children both in the south and on the plains. Did he also have to commit genocidal atrocities to break the back of Plains Indian industrial and agricultural might? As a Catholic, I believe in the doctrine of ust war. Quite obviously, General Sherman did not because you cannot make just war upon noncombatants as a primary target. He did and the end does not justify the means if the means are illicit.

Your previously cited conservative credentials are decent. I obviously disagree with any form of social liberalism. Fiscal conservatism I can take or leave. However, conservatism is not a strictly defined creed. I am Catholic above and beyond all else. That made me a conservative. I grew up politically in Young Americans for Freedom at a state and regional leadership level and in College Republicans and Young Republicans as well. I was nominated for Congress before the age of 30. My family (mother from Louisville BTW) were once Democrats and labor people who rejected the Democrat Party only after it had rejected people like them. The South was superior to the North because people like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, James Longstreet and J.E.B. Stuart were IMO better men than their counterparts. Professor James Robertson's biography of Stonewall Jackson is a magnificent work about America's finest battlefield commander and one of its very finest men. There were heroes and villains on both sides but it is hard

Nathan Bedford Forrest may have been a great cavalry commander but his reputation is forever blemished by the Fort Pillow Massacre (if it is true that he ordered the summary execution of 300 disarmed black prisoners of warand I believe that he did) which is no more justifiable for reasons of war than was Sherman's rape of the South or of the Plains Indians. My understanding is that Forrest certainly formed the Ku Klux Klan or an immediate predecessor group, the Knights of the White Camelia, but directed that membership be limited to Confederate officers only. Presumably this was a matter of quality control. When non-officers were recruited, he disbanded the original group and walked away to become a railroad president until his premature death. Whatever his demerits and they were many, he was no John Brown.

Custer got precisely what he deserved. Too bad he had to take so many of his men with him.

If Stonewall Jackson had lived to fight at Gettysburg, I believe that he would have beaten General John Buford (USA) to the strategic positions and Kentucky might well have joined the Confederacy and remained until this day.

[Quix]

UHHHH, IS THERE GOING TO BE A GOOD OLD U.S. OF A. THERE when I return for the first time in 15 years??? Sheesh.

God help us all.

Lord, please give visions and dreams to pagans in ways that they know it's YOU talking and what you're saying to THEM--and other mental wake-up calls before you have to start slinging the arrows.

[#3Fan]

LOL - yes - Georgia is in your list. Assuming you managed to part with $1000 while here - the hotel/motel taxes, state sales taxes, local option sales taxes, special local option sales taxes, gasoline tax, sin taxes etc, you might have contributed $100 in revenues. Divided by the 8,186,453 residents, my share isn't much, but I'll be sure to ask my congressman to spend it wisely. Thank you.

I drove a NASCAR racecar for 70 laps around Atlanta Motor Speedway, so I spent a lot more than $1000 while there. I see your unappreciative of that saying "it's not much" but chances are it's an infinite percentage more than you spent for any vacation time in Illinois. Tourism doesn't just benefit the government and the parasites that live off it, the money spent privately trickles throughout the local economy. I figured as a so-called conservative, you'd know that.

[4CJ]

My humour was tongue-in-cheek, but I understand trickle-down economics. I did say thank you. And congratulations on driving 70 laps - I bet you had a blast.

[Non-Sequitur]

Thomas Fleming, Ph.D, didn't post the claim, you did. Are you saying now that you can't back it up? Well then how about details? How many slaves did Mrs. Lincoln own? When did she sell them? When was Grant supposed to have been in the slave renting business? Where did he get them? Where were these mines and what were they mining? Where did you get this information? Surely you can provide that, can't you?

[one2many]

Thanks for the info.

BTW, I think you are wrong on Forrest re Ft. Pillow.

He was investigated by the U.S. Army in the incident and found to be operating within the customary rules of warfare. It is my opinion that the dyank officer who faked a note from his superior (who had died) to try to bluff Forrest deserved courts martial. There are a number of truthful accounts of this "battle" on the net.

Thanks again for the info; I will inquire.

[#3Fan]

My humour was tongue-in-cheek, but I understand trickle-down economics. I did say thank you. And congratulations on driving 70 laps - I bet you had a blast.

Thanks, it was one of those things that was fun when it was over. LOL At the time I was more worried about wrecking the thing, watching the instructors in the flag stand, where the groove was, how close everyone was around me, etc. Now, when I watch a race at Atlanta, I watch them take the same corners that I took and remember well, so that's cool.

[stainlessbanner]

That there are no "states' rights"

Is this really what you believe?