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Feminism vs. Sports and Science
Tech Central Station ^ | 05/10/2002 | Nick Schulz

Posted on 05/10/2002 8:48:52 AM PDT by xsysmgr

Sports junkies know that sometimes developments in the sports world are harbingers of broader things to come. Jessica Gavora, a speechwriter for Attorney General John Ashcroft, has written an important new book that demonstrates how that's so.

Gavora's book is called "Tilting the Playing Field: Schools, Sports, Sex, and Title IX" and it examines the effect the Title IX amendment to the Civil Rights Act, signed in 1972, has had on collegiate and high school sports.

Title IX states in part:

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subject to discrimination under any educational programs or activity receiving federal financial assistance.

Now that sounds reasonable enough. But implementation is everything, and by Gavora's telling, during the Clinton administration this seemingly innocuous statute morphed into something troubling. The head of the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights during the Clinton administration, Norma Cantu, used Title IX throughout the 1990s to promote a staggeringly radical overhaul of collegiate sports programs in order to promote her view of gender equity.

As Cantu (and her supporters at the American Association of University Women and other groups) saw it, the number of athletes at any university needed to be proportional to the makeup of the student body as a whole. In other words, if a university campus was 60% women and 40% men, but of athletes on campus, 60% were men and 40% were women, that was de facto evidence of discrimination against women and federal funds could be withheld from that school until proportional representation was reached.

Universities have canceled lots of men's sports programs in order to comply with Title IX. Among the hardest hit have been men's wrestling, gymnastics, swimming, baseball and lacrosse programs.

Consider the experiences of two Rhode Island colleges. Gavora writes:
Like the majority of colleges and universities today, Providence's student body was majority female, and growing more so, but its athletic program failed to keep pace. Drawn by the security of Providence's Catholic tradition, women comprised a whopping 59 percent of all students in the fall of 1998. Female student-athletes, however, were only 48 percent of all varsity athletes. This was well above the national average of 40 percent female athletic participation, but not enough to pass the Title IX "proportionality" test. Providence had "too many" male athletes—11 percent too many, to be exact. Adding enough women's teams to meet proportionality, Providence's Gender Equity Compliance Committee calculated, would cost $3 million, a prohibitive expense for the school. Something had to give.

Seven years earlier, Providence's cross-town rival, Brown University, was sued by a group of female athletes when it attempted to de-fund two men's and two women's varsity teams in a cost-saving effort. The female athletes at Brown argued that cutting women's teams was illegal under Title IX because the university had not yet achieved proportionality—despite offering more teams for women than any other school in the country except Harvard. Brown decided to fight the lawsuit, arguing that Title IX required it to provide women equal opportunity to participate in athletics, not guarantee that they actually participate at the same rate as men. A series of adverse rulings led Brown all the way to the Supreme Court, which declined to hear the case. The result was that the rulings of the lower courts stood: Title IX was interpreted to mean that the university did, in fact, have an obligation to see that women participated in sports as enthusiastically as men. The case was a landmark in the institutionalization of quotas under Title IX. Colleges and universities across the country began to cut men's teams to comply with what the court had decreed was the correct interpretation of the law.

Thus, Providence College did what all colleges and universities are today increasingly forced to do: consult its lawyers. Their advice was direct: The only way for Providence to insulate itself from a Title IX lawsuit or federal investigation was somehow to add enough female athletes, or subtract enough male athletes, to close the gap. So instead of imposing double-digit tuition increases to raise the funds for new women's teams, Providence chose to boost the number of its women athletes artificially by subtracting from the men's side of the sports ledger.

Now, feminists say programs are getting cancelled because men's football programs -- requiring scores of male athletes and lots of money -- gobble too many resources, but schools are chicken to cut into football programs because of alumni, budgetary, and other pressures. But this is false. Marquette University's wrestling team was eliminated simply because the school required proportional representation of men and women. How do we know? Because there is no Marquette NCAA football team. Providence College, discussed above, also doesn't have a football team.

The Clinton/Cantu legacy continues today (see "Men's Teams Benched as Colleges Level the Field") despite a current administration that was elected to office rejecting counting by gender and quotas as morally repugnant.

From Sports to Science

This issue is of considerable interest to readers of this site not because TCS devotees were wondering what happened to all those fine baseball programs. The development is important because a similar current is at work in science and engineering departments in academia as well.

The Yale University computer scientist David Gelernter, who is kind of a patron saint to us at TCS, has written about how at Yale "the administration has made it clear that (in particular) it wants more female professors in technology and the hard sciences" (Weekly Standard, 6/21/99).

The sentiment underlying that desire isn't really problematic. More women in the sciences? Sure. Why not? But Gelernter went on to make a critical point:

Whether or not you approve of affirmative action, it's clear that certain of its goals can be achieved and others can't. If you are determined, say, to increase the proportion of Hispanics in your undergraduate population, you can probably do it; Hispanic applicants are available. If your goal is a large increase in female science and engineering professors, you can't do it, because the candidates are not available."

(Gelernter says this is because fewer women are interested in science and engineering. Gender equity feminists say it's because women are discriminated against.)

So what happens when, as Gelernter says, some of affirmative action's goals aren't reached because they can't be reached? Well, Gavora's book has shown us what has happened in the sports realm -- when getting enough women to play sports isn't possible, cut men's programs.

Think something similar won't happen in the hard sciences? The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights already has the ball rolling. They released a report in 1997 titled "Equal Education Opportunity and Nondiscrimination for Girls in Advanced Mathematics, Science, and Technology Education: Federal Enforcement of Title IX."

According to Gavora, "All of the hallmarks of Title IX enforcement in sports… are transferred to an analysis of access to math and science programs in the pages of the report. And, as ever, differences in achievement between boys and girls, however slight, are deemed to be the result of discrimination against girls."

She adds that "the push for gender-engineered outcomes in the technical fields of academia has accelerated" in this century. Of course, in the hard sciences it's not likely that programs will be cut. After all, there are no men's physics classes or men's information technology majors. But there will be heavy pressure to get the "right" proportion of women into the hard sciences. How will that happen? Quota programs requiring proportional representation of men and women in hard sciences will be instituted. This will have the effect not of expanding the number of women in hard sciences, but shrinking the total number of people genuinely interested in hard sciences who will be allowed to pursue hard sciences. In short, to get the numbers right, universities likely will end up having to discourage men from pursuing scientific and engineering careers.

Worst of all, if quota systems are allowed to worm their way into science departments, it will only serve to diminish the accomplishments of female scientists (like our own Dr. Sallie Baliunas) who have achieved so much through hard work and talent. Those interested in the integrity of science in America should pay close attention. Start by reading Gavora's book.

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1 posted on 05/10/2002 8:48:52 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: xsysmgr
I don't think Title IX is such a bad thing -- when all is said and done, colleges and universities will end up guaranteeing perfectly equal representation in all sports by eliminating every sports program. When 0% of males and 0% of females are involved in college sports, these schools will become real learning institutions and the students will participate in sports activities however they see fit.
2 posted on 05/10/2002 8:52:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Hear, hear. Since when did colleges become institutions of "higher athleticism"?
3 posted on 05/10/2002 8:57:33 AM PDT by Own Drummer
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To: xsysmgr
Feminism in Sports - I love it!

ISN'T SHE CUTE?

DON'T TRY ANYTHING WITH THIS LADY!

4 posted on 05/10/2002 9:13:27 AM PDT by stlrocket
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To: Alberta's Child
You're missing the point. The point of the article is that Title IX has started us down the slippery slope of trying to artificially create gender equality in places where it simply may not be possible (or, at least, not desirable) to do so. College sports are a perfect example of this. Prior to Title IX, was there gender inequity in college athletics? Absolutely. Because men generally tend to be drawn to athletic pursuits moreso than women. The same thing is happening now with math and hard sciences. Schools are trying to engineer gender equity (pun intended) in a place where it simply may not be feasible to get perfect gender equity.
5 posted on 05/10/2002 9:20:41 AM PDT by LaBradford22
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To: xsysmgr
It's been pretty obvious that for a couple of decades, you could count on the fact that if a young doctor was white male, he was damn good. Because he had to be the very best to beat the gender and racial preferences. And if the doctor was non-white or female, you could reasonably assume they were inferior, also because of the racial preferences.

Now this extends into technical fields.

Note to hiring managers: Bring on the white males to the limit you think you can get away with it. Because minorities got into the programs, and got the grades, because of their status.

6 posted on 05/10/2002 9:29:47 AM PDT by narby
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To: xsysmgr
I know this might be radical, but why not let students and alumni vote on which teams exist at a particular college (given the amount of available money). Bet there'll be more votes for men's football than women's rugby.
7 posted on 05/10/2002 9:31:50 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
bump
8 posted on 05/10/2002 9:32:58 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't see how a literal reading of Title IX doesn't lead us to the conclusion that women's sports are discriminatory and if they want to participate, all sports must be coed.
9 posted on 05/10/2002 9:34:19 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: stlrocket
Sure "it" is a lady?

Note the prominent brow ridge.

10 posted on 05/10/2002 9:37:34 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: xsysmgr
Now that sounds reasonable enough.

All anti-discrimination laws sound reasonable, until they are implemented.

11 posted on 05/10/2002 9:41:51 AM PDT by untenured
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To: LaBradford22
Because men generally tend to be drawn to athletic pursuits moreso than women.

Absolutely. The easiest way to see this is to look at intramural sports. There are no scholarships at stake, nothing but competition. There is FAR more male participation than female.

12 posted on 05/10/2002 9:41:54 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: xsysmgr
Feminism is a war on Nature, in general, and femininity in particular. Correctly understood, it is one of the most vicious hate movements ever seen in America. (See The Feminist War On Love & Reason.)

That said, I would make another point. While Title IX reflects the extreme Egalitarian lunacy that underpins much of what the Federal Government has done on the domestic scene since the 1950s, it may eventually have one salutary effect: That is if it causes schools to reexamine the price of accepting Federal Funds, and induces them to ask the obvious question, "Why should the Federal Government, which has very clearly assigned duties in the Constitution, be involved in education, which is not one of those duties?"

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

13 posted on 05/10/2002 9:42:50 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: LaBradford22
I understood the point -- I was being sarcastic!

You have to remember that "gender equity" is a bunch of baloney even to those who claim to be its strongest supporters. As Thomas Sowell once said about Marxism, it will only survive in places where success isn't necessary. A person who is admitted into a medical school under an affirmative action program, and who passes his medical boards because of some kind of "race-norming" scoring system, will never become a renowned cancer specialist at Sloan-Kettering or a cardiac specialist at the Cleveland Clinic. He might become a witch doctor in a third-rate inner-city clinic, but then that's what he probably would have been doing even if he didn't go to medical school.

I think it was "60 Minutes" that did a report on the New York City Fire Department's "gender-norming" a few years ago. I don't know which was more comical, the sight of a 5'-1", 105 pound woman trying to drag a 200-pound dummy down a set of stairs, or the host of the show trying to keep a straight face while Gloria Steinem tried to defend the practice.

After September 11th, I never heard that b!tch complain that half of the firefighters killed in the WTC should have been women.

14 posted on 05/10/2002 9:46:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Own Drummer, Alberta's Child
"Hear, hear. Since when did colleges become institutions of "higher athleticism"?

Title IX isn't simply used to cull men's sports activities. It is also responsible for the feminization of military schools (i.e. VMI) and the outright elimination of all-male education institutions, while claiming victim's rights to maintain all-girl schools and programs. Before the Bush administration recently redirected policies, Title IX was being scrutinized as a way to dumb down science and math curriculum so that the proportion of male college students could be further reduced.

And the 60% vs. 40% disparity in female college entrollment wasn't pulled from the air - it's typical across the nation. Title IX, an increasingly PC feminist curricullum and a social environment generally hostile to all things traditionally male have lead to this situation. Of course, it would never occur to the feminazi fascists to apply their own Title IX medicine to that 60/40 enrollment disparity.

16 posted on 05/10/2002 10:03:06 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: untenured
Exactly...the same way that To Some, socialism sounds good on paper. Anti-discrimination laws are just trying to patrol people's hearts via the inefficient means of government.
17 posted on 05/10/2002 10:06:37 AM PDT by =Intervention=
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To: Harrison Bergeron
I don't dispute what you'e saying, but in any field where success is imperative you are always going to have some obvious resistance to these things.

"Gender-norming" in schools does not have the far-reaching impact that most people seem to think. I have always said that no more than 10% of the college students in this country are truly capable of handling real college-level material, and what "gender-norming" usually does is simply re-shuffle the remaining 90%, who are largely irrelevant anyway in a professional sense.

18 posted on 05/10/2002 10:08:18 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: superdestroyer
"I wonder when someone is going to notice that Title IX is the biggest windfall for suburban, upper-middle class white girls. "

In my corner of suburbia, there was a huge ACLU lawsuit when the municipality installed lights at the local softball field that was used by the Little League and local men's teams. The field was virtually packed with teams and spectators five nights a week from April through September. The problem? Lights hadn't yet been planned for the seldom used girls field across the street. And, no, the offer to bring the girls' games to the mens' field was not accepted - they sued the local government into lighting both fields.

19 posted on 05/10/2002 10:11:29 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Alberta's Child
"...what "gender-norming" usually does is simply re-shuffle the remaining 90%, who are largely irrelevant anyway in a professional sense."

Tell that to the HR departments in large corporations that have been cowed by these "irrelevants" into dumbing down the workplace. Miscreants, sociopaths and dullards by the score hide their incompetence or destructive behavior behind EEOC, gender discrimination, and "childcare issues." It's why I quit management and resumed an engineering career. People break the rules of common sense and courtesy every day. But nobody - and I mean nobody - has the power to break the laws of physics.

20 posted on 05/10/2002 10:20:57 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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