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Rental Bill Introduced Again (Maryland - Government to require registration)
Patriotman ^ | 5/11/02 | by Den ice Ziolkowski

Posted on 05/11/2002 8:33:19 AM PDT by Patriotman

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To: strela
As to passive language, I stand with George Orwell and his essay, Politics in the English Language. It has no pictures, so you might find it difficult.

Rambo was a fictional character. I am a ex-Green Beret medic, I build my own houses, as do my friends, I build my own skiffs( not as good as my friends ), do most of my wiring, plumbing and can mechanic a head gasket if push come to shove, I can fly a light plane, and can do fair charting and navigation.

It’s not paranoia, it is political history as far back as the Greek city states. You’re just ignorant of it.

. Government changes nothing. Ahhhaaaa,haaaa,ahaaa, haaaaa. Then you go on about the highway system. Oh, boy. Tell that to the Jews, and the 100 million dead from the socialist.

The origional tollways were private until government confiscation under emanate domain. The electrical plants, lines and poles in this country are private, duh.

It’s not paranoia, it is political history as far back as the Greek city states.

41 posted on 05/13/2002 6:51:23 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: strela
"I'm still awaiting a reply from anyone interested in this thread explaining to me how such legislation could be construed as "unreasonable" (i.e.; "reasonable searches and seizures")."

Who determines "Reasonable"? That is the reason for the search warrant process.

If the Village, Town, City wants to "ASK" permission to inspect your premises, while you are there then fine. If however they can enter unannounced, without a warrant they are DEAD wrong.

42 posted on 05/13/2002 7:03:57 AM PDT by Wurlitzer
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To: Leisler
As to passive language, I stand with George Orwell and his essay, Politics in the English Language. It has no pictures, so you might find it difficult.

(snicker) I was going to re-read Orwell again last night, but I only had 30 minutes to finish War and Peace, Plato's Republic, and The Fountainhead before bedtime, so I got a little bit sidetracked.

I was wondering when you and/or other participants were going to get around to spuriously attempting to drag the scribblings of poor, dead George Orwell into this discussion. Misquotations and malquotations of this mid-tier, mediocre writer are rivaled on FR only by references to Hitler and the Nazis in frequency of attempted alarmist saber-rattling by the "government is baaaaaaad" crowd.

But OK, I'll humor you: What does George Orwell and/or his essays have to do with a rental bill in the state of Maryland?

Rambo was a fictional character.

(snicker) I'm glad we've got that straight. I'm even more glad that I'm dealing with someone who understands that you can't actually fire an RPG inside a Huey's cockpit without incinerating anyone sitting in the helo's rear compartment.

I am a ex-Green Beret medic, I build my own houses, as do my friends, I build my own skiffs( not as good as my friends ), do most of my wiring, plumbing and can mechanic a head gasket if push come to shove, I can fly a light plane, and can do fair charting and navigation.

I do pretty much the same things you describe except the plane-flying part - I have Daltonism (color-blindness in certain spectra) and can't get a pilot's license. I do love to fly though; I've had a standing offer since 1985 of $500 and a case of beer to the first pilot who can make me get airsick in his aircraft. I've not had to pay out yet.

It’s not paranoia, it is political history as far back as the Greek city states. You’re just ignorant of it.

Ignorant of what, exactly? What is "it?" Be specific, please.

Tell that to the Jews, and the 100 million dead from the socialist.

100 million dead, killed by ONE socialist? Must have been one bloodthirsty butcher of a socialist. Which socialist are you referring to - I thought Stalin was a Stalinist!?!

The origional tollways were private until government confiscation under emanate domain.

If you're referring to "eminent" domain, then I think I understand where you're going with this. I hope that you reply to this post confirming that you never use public roads and highways, electric poles, and telephone lines, because each of those are located where they are as a RESULT of eminent domain. You would be aiding and abetting the government's "theft" of these rights-of-way if you used any of those products, now wouldn't you?

It’s not paranoia, it is political history as far back as the Greek city states.

The line wasn't THAT good - no need to repeat it in the same post.

43 posted on 05/13/2002 8:49:41 AM PDT by strela
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To: Wurlitzer
Who determines "Reasonable"? That is the reason for the search warrant process.

The eternal search for a clear definition of the term "reasonable" has also filled a lot of lawyer's bellies (darn the bad luck). That's why we have a court system, attorneys, judges, courthouses, et al.

If the Village, Town, City wants to "ASK" permission to inspect your premises, while you are there then fine. If however they can enter unannounced, without a warrant they are DEAD wrong.

I'm quite sure that this particular government entity would be able to obtain a warrant PDQ if made necessary by an intransigent apartment owner. I didn't see an explanation or analysis of the enforcement mechanism of the rental bill in the article posted at the start of this thread. I would be interested to know if this bill authorizes inspectors to simply walk into a resident's dwelling without permission, clipboard in hand, and start inspecting. I strongly suspect not, and believe that such a provision could be readily quashed on constitutional grounds.

44 posted on 05/13/2002 9:00:18 AM PDT by strela
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To: infowars
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."- The Papers of Ben Franklin

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor (from Murphy's Laws)

47 posted on 05/13/2002 9:24:12 AM PDT by strela
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To: infowars
Next, they are going to put a Director in Every Community.

I think you've been speaking with a future one.

49 posted on 05/13/2002 9:32:56 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: strela
I have never read War and Peace. The Republic and some essays, yes, although I like Aristotle better. I believe I have read all of Rands books. I do have all of Blair’s and the four volumes of his letters and essays.

Yes Stalinism was Stalinism, that is why it was called.... Socialist disagreed upon the correct path to a socialist utopia. Stalinism was argued to be the correct path. Others disagreed. All claimed at various time to be brothers in progress. All fall under the general title of Socialist.

Ignorant as to the nature, size, and duty of the state and of its citizens to the state. I recommend Victor David Hanson's The Other Greeks as an introduction and for one original book, Thucydidies The Peloponnesian War. For the Romans, anything by Caesar, as he was at the cusp of the death of the Republic and the first Emperor. Anything by Michael Grant is a fine start.

Lastly, even Somalia and Cuba have roads and power lines. The existence of certain physical objects in and of themselves is no proof of liberty. Every regime tries to by its population with progress, the Nazis and the Communists. I don't believe, nor will anyone convince me that anything but more freedom and liberty will result in more material happiness. I believe anything I see around me would of been provided better and cheaper without the government. In any of the many things in which there is a choice between private and public goods and services, private sources are superior.

50 posted on 05/13/2002 10:25:40 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: freeeee, infowars
(infowars) Next, they are going to put a Director in Every Community.

(freeeee) I think you've been speaking with a future one.

Imagine, "speaking" in a graphics-based medium. Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that even paranoids have enemies and that people shouldn't use illegal drugs ... I think you've been speaking with a future one.

51 posted on 05/13/2002 10:31:22 AM PDT by strela
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To: freeeee, infowars
Successful folk sweat the small stuff. Therefore, let's try that one again shall we?

(infowars) Next, they are going to put a Director in Every Community.

(freeeee) I think you've been speaking with a future one.

Imagine, "speaking" in a graphics-based medium. Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that even paranoids have enemies and that people shouldn't use illegal drugs ...

52 posted on 05/13/2002 10:34:03 AM PDT by strela
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To: Patriotman
They already do this in NJ. I got a notice that the local 'safety inspection nazis' will be invading my rental unit sometime the first week of June to make sure I have a smoke detector and carbon monoxide detector 'among other things'. Not sure what the 'other things' are. They presumably do this every 5 years up here. Got to make sure all the condos and apts are 'safe' doncha know. Never heard of this before I moved to the lovely communist NE part of the country. I'm a renter in a decent building of mostly privately owned apartments. They're also subject since the regulation applies to 'multiple occupant' dwellings, presumably worded so as to get all apts, condos, etc but avoid the single family houses..for now. I'm definitely moving. This is police state Nazism at its best! Undoubtedly passed by Christie Witless.
53 posted on 05/13/2002 10:47:17 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: strela
"speaking" in a graphics-based medium

Oh, pardon. "Conversing"???

54 posted on 05/13/2002 10:50:11 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: Patriotman
Gosh, if the homes are rundown and in awful condition, who will want to rent them? Supply, demand. Next they'll want to make sure all our bathtubs have the little rubberized stickies so we don't slip and fall.
55 posted on 05/13/2002 10:56:30 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: metesky
They are doing this in NJ as well...
56 posted on 05/13/2002 11:02:14 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: freeeee
I'll post the text of the nice little letter I got this weekend. BTW, I live in a building that is mostly privately owned apartments. Only a few 'owners' rent units out in this building. This is an upscale community and hardly a slumlord domain.

Dear Condominium Association:

The Hotel and Multiple Dwelling Law (N.J.S.A. 55:13A-1 et seq) includes condominiums in its definition of a "multiple welling," and as such they are required to be inspected by the Bureau of Housing Inspection at least once every five years. The five-year cyclical inspection of your property is due after 05/23/02 and since under the Law, the Association bears responsibility as the multiple dwelling's "owner," you are being notified of the Bureau's intent to visit your condominium. An inspector will be in contact with you to schedule an inspection to take place sometime after that date. At that time the exterior of the building(s), their common areas, and each unit, will be inspected. Inn municipalities in which the Local Enforcing Agency is responsible for the enforcement of the Uniform Fire Code, Code, the Bureau will verify compliance by confirming the existence of an up-to-date Certificat of Inspection, issued by the LEA. The exterior inspection wiull include such things as roofing and siding, sidewalks, parking areas and driveways, in addition to fire safety items, in the absence of an LEA, the common areas the inspection will include such areas as central heat/air conditioning, lighting, infestation and the like. Unit inspections will be limited to fire safety items, where appropriate, carbon monoxide alarms, if required and common elements, that if left unrepaired could negatively affect neighboring units.

It is the Association's responsibility to notify unit owners of the date(s) of the inspection and, if required any reinspection. Once the inspection has been conducted, the Association will receive an inspection Report indicating what, if any, repairs are needed and the date by which they must be made by the Association. Please review the blah blah blah....

Note, that this is a condominium association, we are required by the by laws to have insurance that covers any damage our unit should cause to other units up to $1M. (which takes care of the BS clause 'could damage other units' BS). The building itself is entirely reinforced steel and concrete. No wood to burn and a lot of re-bar in the mix. This sounds like a shakedown by the city for bribes in return. This is Tony Soprano country ya know. I'm guessing the reason they want to 'register' all rental units in these other communities is to get rid of the 'room for rent' for college kids and the mother-in-law unit.

57 posted on 05/13/2002 11:15:39 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
er, welling==dwelling
58 posted on 05/13/2002 11:16:09 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Sad. Remind me, which country is this?

I recommend moving out of the city as soon as possible. Post no tresspassing signs and a sign on the fence "I can make it to the fence in three seconds - can you?" accompanied by plenty of pissed off dogs to back it up.

When they invade your home, read them the 4th Amendment (I know they really don't care what it says). Walk around naked, and eat lots of beans the day before.

Ask them when you can come by their house to poke around. Oh yeah, I forgot - it doesn't work that way.

A man's home is his castle - but not in the good 'ol USA.

Free country - my arse!

59 posted on 05/13/2002 11:31:29 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: Black Agnes
Why every five years? Once the principle is established, why not every week. The Army seemed to think that weekly barracks inspections were needed. And that was a disciplined organization. Now if you take civilians, Christ, they could be doing anything. I say the "logical" actions are when ever and as much as "deemed safe."

You and others have brought up reasons why not to knuckle under, however I will suggest the ultimate trump card. “What about the children.” There. Surrender.

60 posted on 05/13/2002 6:54:03 PM PDT by Leisler
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