Pim Fortuyn Killer Linked To Earlier Death Of Environment Worker (Possible conspiracy)

London Times ^ | May 12, 2002

[knighthawk]

He indeed did move to Harderwijk about a year ago. People in Harderwijk didn't really knew him.

Peter R. de Vries, who is a crime reporter, mentioned a 9mm. But it seemed to be a special cartridge instead of the 9x19 mm (Parabellum). The rounds were longer than normal ones, 23 or 25 mm in length. And that this ammo was not used in the criminal circuit, so he got it from some one special. He didn't have a permit, by the way. So the gun was illegal.

But as far as I know police didn't confirm this, except for the illegal gun.

[Catspaw]

Note where Justin Samuel was arrested.  To the best of my knowledge, Peter Young has not been caught.

ALF Activist Receives Two Year Prison Sentence

By Brian Carnell

Monday, November 06, 2000

In September I wrote about the capture of Animal Liberation Front activist Justin Samuel. Samuel was arrested in Belgium after fleeing the United States to avoid federal charges related to the release of animals from fur farms. Upon his return to the United States, Samuel plead guilty to two misdemeanors.

Last week Samuel became the first person sentenced under the federal animal enterprise terrorism law and received a two year sentence in federal prison for his role in the animal releases. He was also ordered to pay more than $360,000 to business he had harmed. The sentence was the maximum allowable for misdemeanor charges under the statute.

In sentencing Samuel, federal magistrate Stephen Crocker told Samuel that, "You have the right to voice an opinion, but you're not being prosecuted or sentenced for voicing an opinion but for engaging in an act of terrorism."

Peter D. Young, who allegedly accompanied Samuel on his fur farm raids, also fled after being indicted and remains at large. The duo released about 36,000 mink from Wisconsin farms during October 1997, but were found in the area with a list of mink farms compiled by the ALF as well as equipment designed to carry out raids against fur farms.

Samuel was allowed to plea bargain to misdemeanor charges after agreeing to "make a full, complete, truthful statement regarding his involvement in violations of federal criminal statutes charged in the original Indictment, as well as the involvement of all other individuals known to him regarding the crimes charged in that Indictment. And the defendant agrees to testify fully and truthfully at any trials or hearings."

Samuel's decision to cooperate with authorities hasn't exactly endeared him to the ALF crowed, but here's hoping his testimony ensure that he'll soon be joined in prison by other animal rights terrorists.

Source:

Animal rights activist gets two years in prison. The Associated Press, November 3, 2000.

Activist sentenced for letting minks go. Kevin Murphy, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, November 4, 2000.

[friendly]

The murderous twin menaces of militant environmentalists and PETA vermin must be added as enemies of civilization in the War on Terror.

[friendly]

"This fellow apparently works an environmentalist extortion racket for money from farmers."

Are these environmental thugs in the mold of the Extortion King, Jesse Jackson?

[Dog]

Like Fortuyn, Van de Werken was killed with 9mm silver-tip hollow-point bullets, a rare form of ammunition similar to dumdum bullets. Both men were shot in cold blood at extremely close range.

Dum dum bullets in the Netherlands?????

How did he get ahold of dumdum bullets...????

[Dog]

Knighthawk how easy is it to own a handgun in the Netherlands???

[Dog]

Could this have been a professional hit???

[Prodigal Son]

Like Fortuyn, Van de Werken was killed with 9mm silver-tip hollow-point bullets, a rare form of ammunition similar to dumdum bullets.

What can the FR handgun enthusiasts and ammo experts tell us about this ammunition? What is the point of using it over normal hollow points when you know you'll be shooting from close range? Does anyone think it was more the symbolic significance of a "silver bullet" rather than the bullet's killing capacity? How hard is this ammo to get in the US? In the Netherlands? How much does it cost? Are the ballistics different- I mean would you have to practice specifically with that ammo if you wanted to hit something with it in a real situation? Questions, questions. If anybody has any answers please feel free to pipe up.

[Free Trapper]

Winchester makes silvertip ammo.The 9x23x9MM is factory made and easily available in the U.S.The bullet is a jacketed hollow point,not anything extra special.The cartridge is one of the better self defense factory loads.

[Free Trapper]

The 9x23MM silvertip is soft point not hollow point,sorry.;o(

[lentulusgracchus]

Thanks for the interesting post.

I don't think the "animal rights" movement is about animals at all. It's about people, and making rules for people. Hence the passion, and the willingness to kill, to have their way.

[Catspaw]

IMHO, it's less of a professional hit than it is an ideological hit, similar to the Unabomber. He--or they--are killing for a belief, no matter how twisted it is--rather than a paid hit.

[knighthawk]

Let me tell you something. A while ago some nutters also released some mink from a farm. To free them, of course. But since the farm was very close to a highway, most animals became roadkill. That's some freedom, I bet these animals even suffered more!

[Shermy]

I wouldn't expect much expertise from European reporters about the details of guns or cartridges. But I'd bet that hollow point ammo is rare in the region.

KN - I think reporters have certain rights not to reveal sources in the US, but I really doubt they can withhold crime evidence. On what ground is the newspaper saying that they won't release the photos? In any event, this is disgusting. You might call for a boycott of the newspaper.

[Shermy]

Michael moore commented (surprisingly) "Leftists love humanity, but hate humans."

With the enviralists, like the Smiley Face bomber, there seems to be a lack of humanity, and the idea that animals are "equal" to us consequentially fosters a belief that since humans kill animals, there is a moral equivalency in killing humans. These guys are asocial and seem to make perfect Manchurian candidates - in fact, they need no brainwashing at all.

[knighthawk]

It depends. A taxidriver was asked the same question and he said he just had to drive to a certain street and get some.

I heard from a guy he could arrange French army handguns new in box. And you could also order Berettas and such, all illegal.

But people who buy such an illegal gun usualy are not up to a lot of good.

Or people could go to Belgium where it is much easier to obtain such a weapon.

[knighthawk]

btw, also look at reply #14

[moyden]

so fanatical about the rights of animals that he was prepared to take human life.

Making him no different than any other PETA nutbag.

Every liberal is a thug.

[knighthawk]

They claim it is against their neutrality not to give the videos to the police. But indeed, I bet if the police wants them as crime-evidence, the paper will give it to them.

[aristeides]

What happened to firearms-bearing in Europe? You have hunters like Eric in operas like Der fliegende Holländer. You have all the firearms-bearers in operas like Der Freischütz. You have all the recipes for things like Jägerschnitzel. For that matter, you have all the recipes with cacciatore (hunter) sauce in Italy. I assume all these hunters would have shot their game with firearms. What happened?