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Denver Judge Axes the Constitution - Update of Rick Stanley's 2A/Civil Disobedience Trial
The Stanley for U.S. Senate 2002 Colorado Campaign - News Release ^ | May 15, 2002 | Stanley for U.S. Senate 2002 - Colorado

Posted on 05/16/2002 3:05:12 AM PDT by LibertyRocks

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To: wacko
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42 posted on 05/16/2002 6:07:26 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: VA Advogado
Isn't Avacado great? He may be more convincing than a dozen pro freedom advocates. Do you suppose that we could take up a collection to pay some of his bills so he would have more time to post to the net?
44 posted on 05/16/2002 6:13:10 AM PDT by Rifleman
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To: LibertyRocks
The media is not reporting about how the jury pool was so obviously fixed... I mean come on... 5 people out of 18 potential jurors work for the City - the Plaintiff?? AND we had a police officer??? In a city the size of Denver -- well over half a million people I find it hard to believe that the jury pool was a random sampling of the population!

You obviously have never been on a jury or in a jury pool.

I was in a pool of 24 for a DUI case last June.

THREE police officers in that pool.

This article was written by a hysterical nut, in a case about a hysterical nut.

Throwing up dust about the jury pool shows what a weak case Mr. Stanley actually has.

His attorney is poisoning the jury against his client. THAT'S where the outrage ought to be focused.

45 posted on 05/16/2002 6:14:47 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: wacko
"having a gun too close to a government building"

uh? That didn't make any sense. Denver has a no-gun law. Period. Besides, is it really wrong to have a gun "too" close to a government building, and what is "too" close?

46 posted on 05/16/2002 6:18:55 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: sinkspur
So, you believe a city can sue you and its employees should be in the jury pool?
47 posted on 05/16/2002 6:21:38 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
So, you believe a city can sue you and its employees should be in the jury pool?

Why not? The employees aren't suing you; the duly elected and appointed city government is suing you.

And, if an attorney has a problem with them, he can strike them during jury selection.

48 posted on 05/16/2002 6:25:00 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
His attorney is poisoning the jury against his client. THAT'S where the outrage ought to be focused.

Would you kindly elaborate upon that assertion?

52 posted on 05/16/2002 6:57:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: LibertyRocks ; *bang_list ; All
Is there any Little-Gators here at FR (or anywhere else) that can explain this Judges (legal & constitutional) basis for his instruction to not mention the constitution ?

From my position as a guardhouse lawyer on the couch this is the purest form of socialist sedition BS by a member of the judical process I think I have ever observed ........

If this kangaroo court is allowed to stand then it is proof that this country and it's citizens safety from such radical loose cannon stasi forms of government is done for............

What a friggin crock of crap ..................Stay Safe !

53 posted on 05/16/2002 7:04:17 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: LibertyRocks
There HAS to be a rational explanation for this. If this happened, in an American courtroom, EXACTLY as reported in the article here, then the judge needs to be removed immediately from his post.

I would like to see an independent verification (from news media, other observers, etc.) that this actually took place. This is simply too grotesque to be believed.

54 posted on 05/16/2002 7:12:45 AM PDT by strela
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To: spunkets
When the US Constitution and the Constitution of the state in question are barred from citation in a trial then all pretense of a fair and honest court system is vacated. The USA is a constitutional republic and only when the courts enforce law under that constitution are they legitimate. With these rulings this court has made it clear that it has absolutely no interest in the law only in tyranny. If there is no judicial remedy to this then it is clear that there will be another remedy along the lines of what happened in many other despotic regimes where the despots wound up hanging from the lamposts.

Let me be clear I am not advocating this remedyy merely observing that it will come after enough tyranny has left a sufficient portion of the population thinking it has nothing to lose by demanding justice by other means.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

55 posted on 05/16/2002 7:16:11 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: sinkspur
OK ......you seem to know, suggest or just opine that the thread is written by a hystrical nut etc etc so trusting all that to your knowledge base versus mine I ask why (in your opinion) was the instruction given by the judge to not mention the constitution ? Or is this just a lie (again in your opinion) presented by the author of this thread ?

I pretty much don't care if the author was writing this dressed in a clown suit in a clock tower sitting on a block of ice if the judges instructions regarding the mention of the constitution are true ! That IMHO is the story here....not what good or bad tactics the defendent has used .

Stay Safe !

56 posted on 05/16/2002 7:17:37 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: LibertyRocks
If this is being reported correctly, we are in much more trouble than any of us imagined.
57 posted on 05/16/2002 7:18:13 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: harpseal
Too bad malpractice doesn't apply to legal community as it does the medical community who spew such on citizens who's lives are disrupted and ruined by their (judges) seditious socialist application of such sh*t & shineola rulings.

Stay Safe Bro.....

58 posted on 05/16/2002 7:23:12 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: LibertyRocks
Prime example of neocheating. It is with power bestowed upon the judge and not earned power that the judge is permitted to do virtually anything he chooses. ...But judge Patterson will only chose that which he thinks he can get away with.

It seems clear that the judge wants to stifle the case to a simple question of, "did Stanley break the law as it is written?". In other words, the law is the law and that's the end of that issue. ...Now the only question that matters is: did Stanley break the law?

During the jury selection process supporters of Stanley were shocked to discover that out of a pool of 12 prospective jurors - 5 just happened to be employed by the Plaintiff, The City and County of Denver. One prospective female jury member confirmed that she indeed was a police officer employed by the Denver Police Department.

Grant objected that these jurors should be disqualified for conflict of interest issues, the Judge did not find cause to dismiss these jurors at that time.

Patterson said, "Then I'll explain it again. You are not to reference the Constitution in these proceedings. You will not address it in voir dire, you will not address it in your opening remarks, you will not ask any questions about the Constitution when you summon your witnesses, and you will not talk about the Constitution when you give your closing arguments. Do you understand my instructions?"

In the presence of numerous observers, and despite an audio recording and at least one court reporter the Judge then asserted, "That's not the question you asked."

The above paragraph does not depict neocheating so much as it documents judge Patterson's intentional/bald-face lying. Apparently judge Patterson thinks he can get away with that and thinks he will be permitted to so boldly lie. Let's see how many other government officials judge Patterson will drag into self-exposure traps as they use weasel-worded non sequiturs to tow the line.

How ironic is it that with one lie judge Patterson has proven and demonstrated his on-the-job incompetence and contempt for justice.

When Mr. Stanley was called by defense to testify, Judge Patterson questioned whether he really wanted to testify or not. The judge mentioned the Constitutional provision that guaranteed his ability not to testify, but when Mr. Stanley asked the judge to cite the provision the judge refused.

More contempt of justice by the presiding judge Patterson.

59 posted on 05/16/2002 7:31:26 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Shooter 2.5
Here's an example of home rule.
60 posted on 05/16/2002 7:34:12 AM PDT by kitchen
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