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To: 0scill8r ; 100American ; 100%FEDUP ; 101st-Eagle ; <1/1,000,000th% ; 11B3 ...
"PIM Fortuyn, the charismatic right-wing Dutch politician murdered last week was a powerful advocate or paedophilia"

This needs to be read. Fortuyn was evil, no conservative should support him just because he favored the free market.

9 posted on 05/16/2002 5:15:23 PM PDT by xm177e2
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This needs to be read. Fortuyn was evil, no conservative should support him just because he favored the free market.

I always knew that Fortuyn was a homosexual activist--poles apart from a socially conservative Christian like me. (I didn't know about the pedophila, however,and maybe I still don't.)

However, he was right about the muslim "immigrants", and their threat to freedom and any form of Western culture (whether Christian, loopy "libertarian" like Fortuyn, or anything else).

It's beyond me how the leftists always stick up for the muslims--after strong Christians (especially Serbian ones) and Jews, the islamists hate leftists the worst! Among Westerners, only the New World Order elitists and their operatives benefit from unlimited muslim immigration and from muslim expansionism. All the rest of us LOSE BIG!!!! The leftists must have a suicide complex!

119 posted on 05/16/2002 8:33:59 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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Kinda hard to support him since he is dead.
126 posted on 05/16/2002 9:01:15 PM PDT by Busywhiskers
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You pinged? Ping the gang to this thread too: Death of an "Extremist": John O'Sullivan on Pim Fortuyn & Realignments
132 posted on 05/16/2002 9:04:43 PM PDT by cornelis
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Thanks for the ping. At first I thought you pinged me because I had written on another thread:

I think it was a mistake for so many conservatives to embrace this man as one of their own after his assassination. .

But, no matter, I am always glad when someone brings to my attention something that supports my POV.

But, I have to warn you that if you ever bring to my attention something that challenges my POV, you can expect a blast of bitterness, resentment, and indignation. I mean this as a joke, an irony. And maybe, as a slight burn to all of those who are overly upset with you for pinging them.

I would imagine those people are the winners in Life's Lottery and have never had to deal with SUN customer service.

149 posted on 05/17/2002 4:48:45 PM PDT by Duke Nukum
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"PIM Fortuyn, the charismatic right-wing Dutch politician murdered last week was a powerful advocate or paedophilia"

This needs to be read. Fortuyn was evil, no conservative should support him just because he favored the free market.

Yes I agree, and thanks for the ping.

The only thing I can add will probably be unpopular, but I think it too should be mentioned. In no way do I support pedophilia or pedastery (not sure of the spelling but I believe it means adult-child sex where both are of the same sex). I would ask however at what age does a relationship fall into these catagories?

Obviously a sexual relationship with a 5 year old, a person who can't decide for him or herself, is abuse. But in our own not too distant past it was fairly common for women to marry in their teens. There were many reasons of course, including high child mortality rates and a hard lifestyle with much shorter life expectancy.

Remember Ellie May Clampett from The Beverly Hillbillies who was a family disgrace and considered an old maid because she was still unmarried at 18? Yes, it was just a television show, but it was based in fact.

When I grew up in the 50's and '60s in a suburb of Pittsburgh it was not uncommon then for teens to marry. Sometimes a teen would marry someone much older. It may have been frowned on but it did happen.

Amusingly enough I recall that when I married my childhood sweetheart, I was 28 and she was 22. We never dated in high school, but have been happily married with 3 kids for almost 25 years. The age difference did raise a few eyebrows though and that was in the 70's!

And when I visited family in more rural areas even in the 60's and 70's it wasnt odd for teens to be married, sometimes to someone older, and be living and working on a farm. One woman I knew was married at 14 (to an older man) and had 6 kids by the time she was 21! They raised 'em all and had a wonderful life.

In the Netherlands I believe the age of consent is 12. Personally I think that is too young. And when I grew up Sweet Sixteen was considered passable - barely - where I lived. It is now 18 I think.

However it strikes me as curious as to how the age of consent and acceptablity by society has been seemingly creeping upwards. After raising 3 wonderful kids I have to admit one regret is not having had them sooner. My youngest boy is 12 and at 51 I am sad to report my body won't let me play basball or football with him the way I could with his older brother and sister.

prisoner6

157 posted on 05/18/2002 4:10:23 AM PDT by prisoner6
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It seems Mr. Fortuyn has a rather expansive definition of what should be free...
165 posted on 05/18/2002 3:38:56 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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Sure, he was a homosexual and maybe a pedofile, but that's not why he was murdered. He was murdered because he was opposes to rampant, unrestricted immigration and government spending excesses. I didn't like alot about him, but I have no illusions about why he was killed.
168 posted on 05/18/2002 4:39:13 PM PDT by KirkandBurke
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Please remove me from your ping list. Thank You
172 posted on 05/20/2002 2:15:13 PM PDT by Felicity
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