Posted on 05/17/2002 6:36:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz
The government HAS the message. The problem is finding ways to prevent terrorism...and the same people who blame our government for 9-11 jump up and down and scream UNCONSTITUTIONAL whenever our government ATTEMPTS to put any anti terrorism measures in place.
Can you understand the concept of being d@mned by the public if you do, and d@mned by the SAME public if you don't? That's the position the government is.
IT IS NOT WITHIN THE CAPACITY OF THIS OR ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION TO READ THE MINDS OF THOUSANDS OF SICK INDIVIDUALS AND PREVENT EVERY SINGLE PERVERSE ACT OF TERROR THOSE INDIVIDUALS MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT DREAM UP!
That is why this administration keeps putting out the warnings so frequently scoffed by left and ultra-right wing alike. This administration recognizes that we, the American public, are the MOST RELIABLE first line of defense against terrorism.
It is WELL within the capacity of this admnistration to doggedly persure said terrorists and bring them to justice. Ignoring the cries of "racism", "racial profiling", "RINO" and unconstitutional, this administration is, indeed, doggedly attempting to catch the people that the Clinton administration REFUSED TO TAKE when they were offered on a silver platter.
ROTFLMAO!
The purported leader, Imran Mandhai, 19, a student at Broward Community College, has been in U.S. Immigration and Natrualization Service detention since Feb. 13. Mandhai is a Pakistani national living with his parents in Hollywood.
His accomplice, Shueyb Mossa Jokhan, 23, who works at an American Express processing facility in Plantation, was arrested at his Hollywood home without incident this morning by FBI agents.
Jokhan is a naturalized American who was raised in Trinidad and Tobago, which has one of the largest concentrations of Muslims in the Caribbean.
The indictment unsealed this morning alleges Mandhai was seeking funding to acquire AK-47 rifles, night-vision equipment, stun guns, pepper spray, smoke grenades and train for an armed organized ''jihad'' against the United States.
Gee, Joe...sounds like Lazz's guts were right, and your intellect was wrong. Our government IS preventing terrorist attacks.
AH. YOU ARE A GENIUS. THE SCALES HAVE FALLEN FROM MY EYES!!
The Bush administration had SEVEN AND A HALF WHOLE MONTHS in which to go over every single SHRED of the "collective knowledge of the FBI and CIA" to prevent the events of 9-11! The Bush administration is therefore not only responsible for 9-11, but for the Clinton Administration's failure to take bin Laden when his sorry hide was offered!!
In fact, the BUSH administration had SEVEN AND A HALF WHOLE MONTHS TO JUMP INTO AFGHANISTAN - with no plan and no real justification except that we wantd him and nobody would give him to us now - ARTICLES OF WAR AND NATO TREATIES BE D@MNED, TO WHACK THE TALIBAN AND TAKE BIN LADEN BY FORCE BEFORE 9-11 COULD EVEN OCCUR!!!
I SEE NOW!! HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO UTTERLY BLIND?!?!?!?
Your statement was unworthy. You are definitely not at your best today.
I haven't suggested that the Bush administration should have invaded Afghanistan. Hell, I don't think they should be there now since it wasn't Afghanistan that attacked us.
There were several easy and inexpensive ways to help prevent 911.
One was to pick up the phone and call some Airline execs. Or even visit. But not even the bare minimum of effort was expended. Sorry, Bush shouldn't get a pass. We've known about this plan for 7 years. That is plenty of time to come up with a plan that doesn't include egregious rights violations such as you'll find if you read the Patriot act (which was amazingly drafted well before 911).
It's a point worth being shouted from the housetops.
December 13, 2001...."UBL: The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn’t know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes."For the full transcipt, go here:
Call out the military in full half force to protect our country? Hire enough agents to follow every single American citizen - who is not now a federal agent hired to do the following around - and make sure they do nothing suspicious? Begin hauling in all Muslim Arabs in the United States for questioning?
On a baseless warning? With no proof? No Time? No place? Not even a potential perp?
You would not have submitted to such blatant government disregard of Constitutional rights, with reason. Don't lie. You can't blame the government for not "doing enough" out of one side of your mouth, while complaining the government is doing too much out of the other side.
Interesting watching people struggle to explain this off.
Just a few hours ago, many on this forum were saying, "How was the government suppose to know, there was no warning. How would anyone in the government know that this would be anything other than a traditional hi-jacking etc etc". No one knew anything!
Now it's "well, what was our government suppose to do?"
This is nuts.
Why can't the government save us all from crazy , home grown mailbox bombers , rapists, muggers, murderers , then ? Everyone knws that those people are out there too. You're asking for a nanny state ... one far worse than you claim already exisits.
Of course there was. They could allow CCW carriers back on the planes as it was in the 70's before the feds cracked down on guns. Yes. It used to be perfectly legal to carry your loaded weapon on the airplane.
They could have armed pilots. They could have even started vigorously policing airports. They didn't even bother to call the airlines and tell them they believed the threat to be credible.
Instead what we GOT was a police state where the feds can wiretap anyone without a warrant and can arrest you and hold you for no real reason other than "national security."
And that bill was written long before 9/11 occurred.
In 1998, Time magazine quoted intelligence officials who believed that the evidence they had uncovered placed the attack in New York and DC. That's 3 years before it occurred.
Calling out the military is a silly suggestion and I think you know it. I believe you're much smarter than that as evidenced by your spin on this situation. If you can spin the facts then you can think of something alot more effective than "call up the military" in order to prevent terrorist hi-jackings.
Are YOU suggesting that China wasn't holding American servicemen hostage? Or that President Bush wasn't trying to force the Chinese government to free Chinese Americans held in Chinese prisons? Or that there was no fight at all about the budget, or whether a child is a human being until it draws it's first breath...
In short, are you suggesting that President Bush had nothing whatsoever to monopolize his time for his first seven and a half months in office? No Russia, no Taiwan affair...not international crises at ALL during those months? Nothing to do but study a vague warning about a possible terrorist attack, just like the other HUNDREDS of warnings JUST LIKE IT?? Cut me a break.
Are you an American citizen? You CAN'T be.
You know perfectly well that various divisions of the State Department recieve hundreds of the same warnings A MONTH. You know as well that Bush wasn't president in 1998. You know as well as I do that without a time or a place...NYC and DC are pretty big places...nothing could have been done to prevent this short of full US military surveillance of both cities for nearly three years. You also know as well as I do that not even Emperor Bill could have gotten away with such a military move, even within the borders of Liberal Land, for so protracted a time.
Therefore, you know that what you propose the government should have done to prevent 9-11 was both logistically and tactically impossible.
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