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Dancing over the line: Rebecca Hagelin reveals the naked truth about stripper-mom
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, May 21, 2002 | Rebecca Hagelin

Posted on 05/21/2002 12:07:48 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: AppyPappy
I agree they can kick anyone out for any reason they want. But when they start kicking children out because of their parents employment then they best come up with a list of jobs that are not acceptable. If Job A is bad on Monday, it better be bad the rest of the week too and not only bad when the school wants it to be bad. It is either an allowed profession or it is not. No inbetween.
61 posted on 05/21/2002 7:10:47 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
I don't think stripping has ever been considered "good".

The school doesn't need more restrictions. It needs to be left alone to teach.

62 posted on 05/21/2002 7:11:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Phantom Lord
"Any trial lawyers kids or liberal politicans kids get kicked out lately?"

My church has "kicked out" pillars of the community. And we also have an EX stripper who is welcome. Some churches do attempt to abide by New Testament teachings.

63 posted on 05/21/2002 7:12:01 AM PDT by joathome
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To: AppyPappy
And the reason I feel they should come up with a list is that a parent applying for acceptance to the school should be aware of what jobs are allowed and not. It is wrong for the school to accept the child in the beginning of the year to later kick them out when they find out what the parent does. Or to decide in the middle of the year, well, we have decided we dont like your job. Its unfair to the child, the parent, and smacks of selective enforcement.

If there is a list at application then the parent knows what they are getting into and knows what to expect.

64 posted on 05/21/2002 7:12:53 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: JohnHuang2
When explaining why she won't send her daughter back to the school next year, she said, "I want to find a school less concerned with image and more concerned with the welfare of children."

Dripping with irony.

65 posted on 05/21/2002 7:15:25 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Phantom Lord
You are so funny! Anyone who has read the bible, and quite a few who haven't, can reasonably come to the conclusion that pole dancing is not compatible with the Christian life.
66 posted on 05/21/2002 7:18:20 AM PDT by joathome
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To: Phantom Lord
They already do that. They tell the parents they expect them to act in a Christian manner. Christians know how they are supposed to act. It's not rocket science. The last thing they need is to have to rewrite the rules every time a parent finds a way around them.

The school has the right to remove anyone for any reason. That is the safest way to handle it and the parents know the rules. The school gives the parent the chance to end the behavior or remove the child. They don't need to endure a lot of problems just because they didn't have a specific rule regarding the behavior.

67 posted on 05/21/2002 7:22:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: DB
While I agree with much of what you said, the mother did in fact sign her child up at a Christian school. It would seem she did want something different for her child other than the way she lives.

My wife is the director of Children and Family ministries at a fairly liberal Presbyterian Church. She also teaches at the pre-school.

Seems this story raised a ruckus there too. BTW when the political litmus test was applied to this one, the libs were BY FAR on the side of keeping her in the school. Ah-hem.

The point that shut them all up was when my wife said, "what makes you think the woman wanted a Christian education for her child?" Now before you state the obvious, let me point out that in my wife's "Christian" school about 20% of the kids are Jewish, about 5% Islamic, and over half have no official church affiliation. So why do they go to a "Christian" school? Lots of reasons.

1. Before my wife got there, you would have been hard pressed to discern that it was a Christian school at all. No chapel, no grace at meals, no Christian curriculum, not even Christian posters. My wife changed all that, but the "other than Christian" still attend.

2. The school is convenient to many parents. It is situated close to downtown and it is easy to drop kids off on the way to work.

3. The school is cheaper than most of the private secular pre-schools.

4. There are no free, public pre-schools. Public education doesn't start in our area until kindergarten. Yeah, there is head start, but most non-minorities wouldn't send their kid there under any circumstance.

So maybe this stripper sent her kid to that school for reasons other than religion. Maybe it was convenient, maybe it was cheap, maybe she thought they didn't take Christianity seriously.

In any event, from a conservative point of view, a private institution has a right to associate, or not associate with, whomever they like, within the bounds of the law. From a Christian point of view, it appears that they attempted to be Christ-like in their compassion, but even Jesus had no compassion for those who were unwilling to stop sinning.

68 posted on 05/21/2002 7:23:04 AM PDT by Crusher138
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To: one_particular_harbour;Dataman
Congratulations for posting the single most idiotic, ignorant, ankle-bitingly mouth-foamingly whites-of-the-eyedly forehead-veinedly hair-on-endedly ignorant message I have seen on this topic.

To distill so much quintessential cluelessness in one posting must have taken a great deal of thought and effort. I stand in appropriate awe.

Dan

69 posted on 05/21/2002 7:23:24 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: joathome
Being that 'usary' was not acceptable for Christians, should people who work for a bank have to quit their job to allow their children to go to a christian school?

The problem is, that almost any job has aspects to it that they could say "are not compatible".

70 posted on 05/21/2002 7:24:56 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: tacticalogic;SoDak
For your interest. I thought this article made some good points, and told me a thing or two I hadn't known.

Dan

71 posted on 05/21/2002 7:27:25 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: hobbes1
Had they simply refused her back, next year, this would be a non issue.

This would have been a reasonable treatment of the situation, with 3 weeks left in the girl's classes. The mother would have had months to consider her future.

Why give the press ammunition?

72 posted on 05/21/2002 7:27:45 AM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: sayfer bullets
This guy in charge, has a history of idiocy.
73 posted on 05/21/2002 7:32:07 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Phantom Lord
Being that 'usary' was not acceptable for Christians, should people who work for a bank have to quit their job to allow their children to go to a christian school?

Banks? I don't think so. Maybe if they operated a "rent-to-own" or "paycheck advance" business.

The problem is, that almost any job has aspects to it that they could say "are not compatible".

Every job certainly has opportunties to behave in an unChristian manner. But to call stripping an "aspect" of her job is stretch things a bit. It is the essence of the job.

And your protestations to the contrary, anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that stripping is not consistent with a Christain ethic.

Period.

SD

74 posted on 05/21/2002 8:17:38 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
My point is that their clause regarding "compatible with christian life" is so wholly vague and open to wide interruptation that it can be construed to be used against anyone on Monday yet not on Tuesday.

And being that 'usuary' is the charging of interest on money loaned, Banks would clearly fall into that catagory.

75 posted on 05/21/2002 8:25:46 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: JohnHuang2
Pics!!! 75 posts on Stripper-Mom (TM) and no pics, what is happening to FR!

You guys know the rules..

76 posted on 05/21/2002 8:28:22 AM PDT by codebreaker
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To: hobbes1
Had they simply refused her back, next year, this would be a non issue.

Stripper-Mom would make it an issue next year, too-- this was just a matter of time and attention. Why is a story like this, national news? The liberal press flies into action with sinsational tabloid reports. No one had their civil rights violated and no one broke the criminal laws-- as far as we know.

77 posted on 05/21/2002 8:29:41 AM PDT by let freedom sing
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To: Phantom Lord
My point is that their clause regarding "compatible with christian life" is so wholly vague and open to wide interruptation that it can be construed to be used against anyone on Monday yet not on Tuesday.

You can argue against the "ambiguity" of the clause when it is used in morally ambiguous cases. This ain't one. Or do you think it is?

And being that 'usuary' is the charging of interest on money loaned, Banks would clearly fall into that catagory.

Usuary is the charging of excessive interest. In the economy we have now, inflation is a given. One who loans money without accouting for inflation or the oppportunity cost of other uses of the money is basically losing money whenever he makes a loan. This is not just.

SD

78 posted on 05/21/2002 8:30:11 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
There is no ambiguity about the Stipper Moms profession being in contradiction to a 'christian life'. That is not in question, and I havent seen anybody claim to the contrary yet.
80 posted on 05/21/2002 8:49:58 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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