Posted on 05/25/2002 11:20:05 AM PDT by forest
The leadership organization of these socialist groups is, of course, Socialist International. Readers interested in where the United Nations (and Congress) gets so many of its wacky socialist/communist ideas might want to check out the Socialist International web page.
They are very well organized. We Constitutionalists would do well to copy some of their organizational framework.
Those of you who are not familiar with political terms may find a list of definitions handy at
Hey, I agree! That's why I call them and (many Republicans as well) TRAITORS!!
Bernard Sanders-VT,Chair, Cynthia A. McKinney-GA, Co-Chair, Peter DeFazio-OR, Co-Chair, Maurice Hinchey-NY,Co-Chair, Major Owens-NY.Co-Chair, Nydia M. Velazquez-NY, Lane Evans-IL, Maxine Waters-CA, Earl Hilliard-AL, Ed Pastor-AZ, Lynn C. Woolsey-CA, George Miller-CA, Nancy Pelosi-CA, Fortney "Pete" Stark-CA, Henry A. Waxman-CA, Xavier Becerra-CA, Julian C. Dixon-CA, Esteban Edward Torres-CA, George E. Brown-CA, Bob Filner-CA, Diane DeGette-CO, Corrine Brown-FL, Carrie P. Meek-FL, Alcee L. Hastings-FL, John Lewis-GA, Neil Abercrombie-HI, Patsy Mink-HI, Luis Gutierrez-IL, Danny Davis-IL, Julia Carson-IN, John Olver-MA, Jim McGovern-MA, Barney Frank-MA, John Tierney-MA, David Bonior-MI, Lynn N. Rivers-MI, John Conyers-MI, Bennie G. Thompson-MS, Melvin L. Watt-NC, Donald Payne-NJ, Jerrold Nadler-NY, Charles Rangel-NY, Jose E. Serrano-NY, John LaFalce-NY, Marcy Kaptur-OH, Dennis Kucinich-OH, Stephanie-Tubbs-Jones-OH, Sherrod Brown-OH, Elizabeth Furse-OR, Chaka Fattah-PA, William Coyne-PA, Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo-PR, Robert C. Scott-VA, James A. McDermott-WA.
I've compiled my own list, which I got from a couple different sources. I checked out all these Congressmen's Gov't Web Sites. Most of them do not list membership in the Progressive Caucus on their official gov't site, which I find odd and down right deceptive. A small percentage do though and Jesse Jackson Jr goes so far as to have a link to the Dem Socialists of America website. I listed a couple who were either deceased or retired just for general info purposes.
Alabama
I apologize for the length of the list- an HTML whiz I aint but I found it easier (for me at least) to read it that way. If your congress critter isn't on here, you can pat yourself on the back. If anybody knows one that needs to be on here or if I listed someone that is no longer in office- please let me know.
You don't tear their arguments apart by screaming "COMMUNIST!!!!" at them. That is like yelling Jesus Freak at a proud born again. You tear their arguments apart by systematically showing how they cannot practically manage the means of production for a large economy. You show the logical falacy of relying on the will of the people for what is right. You point out how capitalism is hated by the elite and you make them ask how only 2 capitalist nations, the US and Japan with a population of less than 400,000,000 can out produce all of Europe combined which has a total population IIRC of almost 600,000,000 and is almost entirely Socialist. How is it that capitalism is able to exploit socialist nations if Socialism is really for the people? Shouldn't Socialism systematically defeat capitalism?
And, more than half are black. Not making a value statement. Just making an observation.
Ah, my former rep until I moved out of city limits.
I participated in some online debates with some who called themselves democratic socialists. Once pressed they can admit to some bizarre theories.
The folks I debated argued that socialism did not succeed because it had never been tried. They claimed that every country that called itself socialistic wasn't really since they were dominated by an elite that governed for their own interests rather than the interests of the people. Their utopia would, of course, be different.
They sidestepped one of your objections, the lack of a useful algorthm, by postulating a government that would place the questions of allocating resources to a vote. If for example, a town had unemployed workers, then that town would vote on the type of capital investments to put these unemployed to work, ie, build a shoe factory or a communal farm. At this point they began to get bizarre admitting that most people really wouldn't want to be concerned with subjects such as this so they probably would prefer letting an elite make these types of decisions.
The most bizarre of their theories was that by a correct allocation of resources to real needs, no one would need to work more than 20 or so hours per week. They accomplished this by riding the world of capitalism and marketing since they felt that these only made the workers think they needed some things. That once this artificially created desires were purged from the world, most folks would be quite happy living in a high rise apartment building where the typical family lived in only a few hundred square feet. No need for cars either since we would all ride mass transit to our government appointed jobs.
The bottom line is that the government would tell what you wanted, when you wanted it, and how much of it you wanted. The education system would be geared to convincing you that living on less was best. While they maintained that all of this would be achieved democratically, they also maintained that there would be, at least temporarily, the need for force just in case your education wasn't truely effective in convincing you that the plans of the elites were notthe best.
Thanks for the link. It is most informative.The site gives you a photograph, web site address and E-mail address. I am wondering, is there a site that gives a more complete dossier. Say a site that lists their home address (D.C. and state of origin), their favorite vacation spot, maybe their favorite restaurants or nightclubs? Would the posting of such information be crossing some kind of legal line? I know that laws exist against giving out such information about judges and policemen.Do these laws extend to cover the ruling class?
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