Posted on 06/01/2002 6:10:12 AM PDT by rubbertramp
These schools are closely monitored nowadays, and even the "horror" stories you read about in the past, according to my friends who work/worked at such places, were exaggerations to improve care. For example, kids who sat "in their feces" were incontinent kids. Kids "tied up" were severe self abusers who were restrained, etc. Do gooders tried to shut all these schools down a few years ago, and so few are left, and the few that are left are closely monitored.
What few realize is that the parents of such people are usually involved in their welfare. A bunch of suspicious deaths would be reported to the Justice Department.
Sounds like the black helicopter crowds are changing their targets.
Only foaming at the mouth? Usually the mouth is full of vomitus, but we do CPR anyway. And most facilities have bags and masks to do CPR.
Good fiction authors usually check their facts before writing drivil.
Since its establishment Camp Mabry has served in a variety of capacities. It was used as a mobilization area during the Spanish-American War. The state arsenal building was built there in 1915, and all military stores were moved from the state Capitol to the new facility. During World War Iqv the United States Army used the camp as a training site and built several barracks and administration buildings. The army also used the camp as an engine-rebuilding station during the war. When the Texas National Guard was called into federal service during World War II,qv Camp Mabry served as Headquarters for the Texas Defense Guard, the remaining state militia. Camp Mabry served as a training ground for the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Texas Rangers,qqv as well as the national guard, until 1953. The state adjutant general's office was moved to Camp Mabry in 1954, and the Texas National Guard State Officer Candidate School was established there in 1959. A historical marker acknowledging the contribution of Camp Mabry was dedicated in December 1972.
In the mid-1980s the size of the Camp Mabry site was just over 375 acres, and the building space was 700,000 square feet. The various offices at Camp Mabry employed 800 people. The Texas National Guard Academy opened at Camp Mabry in June 1984. Also located on the post are the headquarters of the Texas Air National Guard, the Texas State Guard, the United States Property and Fiscal Office, the Texas National Guard Armory Board, the Headquarters Armory of the Forty-ninth Armored Division, a clinic, a parachute packing and storage facility, and numerous supply and warehouse facilities.
Camp Mabry observed its 100th anniversary on Texas Armed Forces Day in May 1992. In addition to battle reenactments and displays, the celebration included an informal opening of the Texas Military Forces Museum, which was completed later that year.
BIBLIOGRAPHY: Ron Dusek, "Mabry Surrounded, Still Sits Pretty," Third Coast, April 1985. Marker Files, Texas Historical Commission, Austin. Vivian Elizabeth Smyrl
It's what they don't tell you that's the key, Doc. What do you think they're storing at these warehouses? Obviously, dead, frozen mentally retarded people!!!!!!
Don't try to deny it - denial just means you're one of THEM!
The facility described might not have much paperwork behind it...a fly by night NGO...non profit. Who is going to raise questions? The minimum wage employee who notices things? Who'd believe them? Not a serious minded doctor in her ivory tower. Too busy prescribing pharmacueticals and going to drug company freebies. Who is monitoring these facilities nowadays? And how real is their reporting?
Stay alert.
And the Nazi euthanasia program had its roots in the American eugenics movement, as detailed in the following book passage and elsewhere:
| And then Nazi Germany took eugenic treatment of the mentally ill to its ultimate end. Eugenic attitudes toward the mentally ill -- that they were a drain on society and a threat to its "germ plasm" -- inevitably raised the possibility of a more extreme measure. Should a state simply kill its insane? This question was first raised in the United States in 1911, when Charles Davenport published Heredity in Relation to Eugenics. Although he generally argued against killing the unfit, he wrote that if a society had to choose between allowing "mental defectives" to procreate and killing them, the latter would be the preferable alternative. "Though capital punishment is a crude method of grappling with the difficulty [of defectives]," he concluded, it is definitely superior to that of training the feeble-minded and criminalistic and then letting them loose upon society and permitting them to perpetuate in their offspring these animal traits.63 Five years later, Madison Grant, a wealthy New York lawyer and a founder of the American Eugenics Society, pushed this notion a step further in his book The Passing of the Great Race. "The Laws of Nature require the obliteration of the unfit, and human life is valuable only when it is of use to the community or race," he argued. "A great injury is done to the community by the perpetuation of worthless types."64 The idea that the mentally ill, and other misfits, were "useless eaters" was now alive and loose in the Western world. Grant's best-selling book went through four editions and was translated into French, Norwegian and German. Hitler, according to German historian Stefan Kühl, later wrote Grant a fan letter, telling him the "book was his Bible."65 -- Robert Whitaker, "Mad in America: Bad Medicine, Bad Science, and the Enduring Mistreatment of the Mentally Ill," pp.64-65 |
Like you, I can't tell how factual this story is, but the attitude is still there, decades after the defeat of Hitler. You can check out FReeper comments on this thread to see what I mean: Hurdling Toward Eugenics...Again.
Friedlander's book on the Nazi euthanasia program is terrific.....the best historical reference I've seen.
What a maroon!
This is the fruit of relativism, which has weakened in consciences the notions of good and evil. Hence, the culture is indifferent and in the process of self-destruction.
But the article called it a "state school". This would mean a residential state school, not a fly by night NGO. State schools have regulations, including nurses and doctors stationed there paid for by the state. They are visited by regulators from JCAH,ARC, etc. and nowadays have to document everything.
As I said, the article sounds made up. You just don't freeze bodies like that. Every patient has a burial plan, and often there are family members who would cause a stink if something like this went on.
Indeed, if you know your history, the reason that the Nazi T4 project was stopped was because the families complained too loudly, including many Nazi party members. See Lifton's book on the subject.
Al. B. -- Thank you for the enlightening post (#47). I absolutely agree with your appraisal that the seed for the Nazi euthanasia program was planted in the eugenics movement that originated in this country.
Both movements are, and were, abominations. Eugenics is not only abhorrent to anyone who values life, but it is a false science which uses selective/manipulated information, and agenda-driven improvement of the societal quality of life arguments, in order to promote a political agenda which may advance the power of the select, or decide (at least the near-term) fate of races, or biological or genetic ‘types’.
[Although it is common knowledge that, for the first (and so far the only) time in history, an entire people were targeted for annihilation during the holocaust, not quite as many Americans are aware that German physicians were ordered to perform forced sterilizations on tens of thousand of gypsies, mentally ill, and other handicapped individuals.]
And your comment, the attitude is still there, decades after the defeat of Hitler, is right on the mark, too. Both the euthanasia and eugenics (and associated) movements are gaining momentum in this country. And, for the quite simple fact that they (beneath it all) have as their purpose ‘perfecting’ the population (or a segment thereof), both movements are based on someone’s subjective opinions as to who is worthy of living, and who would be better off dead (or whose death would render society in a better condition). There’s the rub. Someone making life-and-death decisions for others. Anyone who would consider himself qualified to do so is someone I wouldn’t want making any kind of decision in my (or anyone else’s) behalf. Those who consider themselves godlike are not worthy of trust.
With that said, I don’t see a whole lot of connection between the truths you brought out and this article. There are way too many holes in this story to perceive it as evidence of a covert state/military eugenics program. I have been called a right-wing radical, a leftist-behind- every-bush paranoid, and even an occasional descriptive involving the lovely tinfoil hat vision, on occasion.:) But this one even I don’t swallow, for many of the same reasons that DontMessWithMyCountry cited in his response (#36).
• That Mr. Johnson (whose former position at the school remains a mystery, but appears to have been something of a low-level one) would have been somehow privy to all sorts of horrible goings-on at the Austin State School, and then, when he decided to speak out, was threatened with the loss of his job, wreaks of fabrication. I’m not saying that the U.S. government would never participate in something so immoral, or covert. Not at all. It would….has….and is. I’m merely saying that no secret government project which is seeking to use the mentally ill in biological warfare experimentation would be so sloppy as to allow someone of Mr. Johnson’s obviously low-level stature to witness their experiments so easily.
• Neither am I saying that members of the Austin (or any other) Police Force would be above ‘enforcing’ something that was this illegal/immoral, so long as the orders came from someone above them who had sway over their careers and futures. But the idea that two officers (or two men pretending to be) would show up at Mr. Johnson’s door, claiming to be responding to a 911 call, and then flee like two scared rabbits when he asked to see their badges, is ludicrous. Sounds like the ideas of a fifth grader who is taking a stab at being a crime/corruption novelist (and failing miserably).
[Who dat?, I love your reference to ... they said, "Badges? We don't need no steenking ... " (laughed out loud at that one! ‘Sierra Madre’ is one of my all-time favorites!)]
• And all of the details of the sordid cover-up, down to the colors of the doctor/nurse/staff protective clothing, the patients’ foaming at the mouth, etc. were allowed to be witnessed by this low-level employee, under the assumption that he would not find any of this behavior distressing, and, if he did, he would not speak out.
• An underground tunnel, which purportedly exists between Austin State and Mabry, sat there unused, while these frozen, dead bodies were transported via white vans across the street in broad daylight.
• And the families of these five deceased residents did not pose any questions regarding the suspicious deaths of their loved ones. Mr. Johnson’s accusations (made on a nationally broadcast radio program) have not raised the families' antennae. Nearly three months have elapsed since the alleged atrocities occurred, and apparently the families still are not seeking any answers (or, it seems to me, such inquiries would have been mentioned in the article). Are the families in on it, too?
Either the (apparently numerous) conscienceless, corrupt, Nazi-like doctors/nurses/staff at Austin State School (and their supposed cohorts across the way at Camp Mabry – headquarters of Texas state military forces) are as dumb as doornails, and as sloppy as third-rate burglars, or Mr. Johnson has a very vivid imagination.
My instincts tell me it’s the latter.
Anyone who would pay $50 plus, to read a bunch of scared morons who hide behind what other scared morons call science so that they don't have investigate anything spiritual deserves the Skeptical Inquirer.
Go take a flying leap, Rangerairborne.
People underestimated the evil. The Germans sent out letters to parents to lie about what they were doing. The letters are masterpieces of bureauocracy. No one could believe that in such an enlightened time, with Sociological studies and anthropologists studying these schools that the unthinkable was happening.
Today, these government ( HFCA and CARF) regulating agencies are several layers away from the "hands on" care of patients...and paperwork can be made to look good by people making survival wages. Many retarded are winding up in prisons which have their own form of "survival of the fittest".
I hope that this account which I printed is fiction. I also hope that people are vigilant. The people that speak up about what they see might not know the correct terminology about what kind of school or population. They might not have a neatly annotated, documented account. I know if I observed something like the above and were new to the field, I would have many errors in my observations; but, I would try to get the message out in whatever form I could.
I remind that Ken Alibek who used to head Biopreperat in USSR is now head of our bioterrorism defense. To me that is a red flag, no pun intended.
During the Reich, I am sure accounts seeped out from less than pristine sources. The onlookers did not want to investigate...like our emasculated press and those not wanting to get involved. Besides, it is too awful to think about.
I posted this because I want people to investigate. Too many stories disappear without investigation.
Evil usually follows the same modus operandi. Genocide, never again.
And they call me "Airborne Ranger" because that is an accurate description- as I am sure the "tramp" part of your screen name is accurate. Are you retired from the food service industry, or janitorial work???
You done coined a new word!!!
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