LewRockwell.com and the Annoying Paleos

Punch The Bag ^ | 29 May, 2002

[Texaggie79]

I'm sure LR.com probably is against what Lenin did, so what?

[Clemenza]

Yes, Israel is a "victim," just as Tibet is a victim and East Timor was a victim, although at least Isreal has its sovereignity. I have a feeling, btw, that East Timor will continue to have to fight for its sovereignity as Israel has for much of its history. Nevertheless, I don't like how foreign aid is sucked out of the hands of the taxpayer with the support of so-called "conservatives" to support some fetish for "democracy abroad." Are we all Woodrow Wilson/Harry Truman Democrats now?

[Clemenza]

Lew Rockwell sometimes makes sense. Unfortunately, those "sometimes" have been getting rarer and rarer of late.

Agreed. They and RINO Fareed Zakaria were the only commentators who got the Kosovo "war" right.

I should also state that I actually go farther than Lew's Loonies in that I believe that anyone with the last names Kristol and Podhortetz should get vasectomies immediatly to prevent from spawning more pseudocons.

[Phillip Augustus]

So this: your point was that you believed Osama would agree with Rockwell's views. I pointed out a specific example of a situation where that it is not, and, further, where Rockwell's ideological enemies and Osama were on the same page. In doing so, I illustrated the flaw of your previous argument.

As for the neo-cons I'm not so sure they would not approve of Lenin. Certainly, as least as Trotsky is concerned, there is an ideological heritage.

[northernwilson]

However, they give real-world conservatives a bad name and that’s the big reason why they bug me.

So I take it that your idea of a 'real world conservative' are the statist-worshiping, Rush Limbough toe the party line Republicans who believe that trashing the Bill of Rights is a small price to pay for the glory of Empire. Do you honestly believe that the interventionist policies of the neo-conservatives can be justified by any classical conservative line of thought, or are you just ticked off because lewrockwell correctly identifies many them as former marxists?

[Texaggie79]

I see foreign aid to THOSE countries as actually contributing to our defense, as opposed to the more "charity" type foreign aid programs.

[Texaggie79]

Tell us, oh wise one, how does Rush Limbaugh promote destroying the BoR?

[Clemenza]

Yeah, I never could understand why Lew's Crew always blasted Lincoln's statism without condemning Davis's regulation of the southern economy, enforced conscription, emphasis on slavery as the hot button issue etc.

[Texaggie79]

Don't you think that your despise for those in the middle right as opposed to those on the far left may lead people to believe that perhaps your beliefs are more in common with those on the left?

[Clemenza]

By sending spies like Jonathan Pollard to our shores?

BTW: I do support selling arms to countries that are "friendly" to our war on terrorism. Nevertheless, we must also cast a skeptical eye to many of our so-called allies. Egypt and Saudi immediately come to mind and as much as I am angered by Pollard, The Liberty, etc., I am considerably more upset about the latter two countries for their open love of terrorists.

That being said our TRUEST ALLY in the MidEast is TURKEY!

[Texaggie79]

The reason that Osama would agree with LR is because LR promotes complete isolationism. Osama would have no one to fear, in his crusade to force Islam across the East and mid-east. Only when the entire world is comprised of Tyrannous Muslim Empires would LR even consider possible action to protect ourselves.

[Aurelius]

"Don't you think that your despise for those in the middle right as opposed to those on the far left may lead people to believe that perhaps your beliefs are more in common with those on the left?"

"despise" is a verb, not a noun.

[Texaggie79]

Yes, because Turkey has done soooo much more to fight terrorism than has Israel huh? Where does this undercover hate for Israel come from in radical Libertarians?

[Texaggie79]

I caught that after I posted. But I assumed that those reading would possess enough intelligence to pull a meaning from it still. I'm not one that gives a rats @$$ about grammar and spelling in online forums, as long as the point is made.

[Clemenza]

I have considerable respect for moderates like Rudy Giuliani, former Oregon Senator Mark Hatfield, Henry Kissinger and Fareed Zakaria (although the latter seems to walk the fine line between moderate and RINO). I have ZERO respect for statists like Kristol, Podhoretz and Bennett who, in addition to being third-rate intellects, support an expensive and unrealistic foreign policy and have ZERO influence on any large group of people (although Bennet DID successfully put a bunch of old stories together for profit, good for him).

[Clemenza]

The Turks have continually shared intelligence with the CIA since the Cold War. The Turks also succesfully supressed Communist Guerillas in the past and have been quite successful in keeping their country secular and in using force to combat Islamists in their midst. Oh, and they also committed troops to the Korean War, Afghanistan and many NATO operations. 'ATTA TURK!

[sheltonmac]

"Real conservatives who are in the trenches fighting in elections and working to pass a Reaganesque agenda in state legislatures and Capitol Hill..."

This is utterly laughable. "Real conservatives" have only been able to wave the conservative banner for the simple reason that they have defined conservatism down. All the fighting "conservatives" do in elections is to vote straight down party lines with the flawed assumption that any Republican is better than a Democrat, no matter how liberal. George W. "Billions more in government spending" Bush is the perfect example.

[Texaggie79]

As opposed to Kristol, who is more an idealogue, Bennet earns much more respect from me. Although I may disagree with him on small issues such as the WOD, the man's positions are held in sound principle and his faith.

[Washington_minuteman]

"LRC is the mother ship for people who call themselves paleos -- a fancy word that represents a combination of isolationists, Dixiecrats who long for the Old South where everyone knew their place (wink, wink), neoconfederates still smarting over the civil war which ended 137 years ago, Abe Lincoln-haters, and genteel anti-Semites who think Mary gave birth to Jesus in Berlin."

This is a Gramscian tactic. Demonize and marginalize the opposition through name-calling and clever innuendo.

Would it not be better to winnow the wheat from the chaff in these writings and ideas, and do likewise with the good that comes from Republican and Democrat philosophy, than to blindly march in lockstep to any particular ideology? Wouldn't it be better to live by the Constitution, than by a plethoria of federal codes and regulations which are tandamount to fascism?

That would seem not to be the case in the minds of the Republicrats who worship at the feet of the Party.

[Aurelius]

"I have considerable respect for moderates like Rudy Giuliani,...

"Moderate"??? What color is the sky on the planet where you live? Guiliani is a left-wing fascist RINO tyrant.

Guiliani