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*** Philippines: Report - Abu Sayyaf hostage Martin Burnham killed, Gracia rescued ***
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | June 7, 2002

Posted on 06/07/2002 1:32:47 AM PDT by HAL9000

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To: dansangel
"She's a lying sack of....... She has done everything in her power to keep the US troops at bay. She made it very plain she wanted no outside interference while the Burnham's were tortured and moved around like abused animals. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE???"

I have no outrage toward President Arroyo or the people of the Philippines - only toward those Abu Sayyaf bastards.

Having followed this story closely for over a year, there is no certainty that the outcome would have been different if we had sent 20,000 of our own troops and conducted the jungle rescue operation alone. Martin Burnham was kept in shackles - and it's clear that the Abu Sayyaf planned to execute him at the first sign of a rescue attempt.

I'm impressed by the compassion and concern expressed by the majority of Filipinos for the American hostages - even more than for their fellow citizens. I think are determined to rid their country of this scourge. But it is extremely difficult.

You may recall that a few months ago in Afghanistan, we had some American missionaries who were being persecuted and imprisoned by the Taliban. When the Northern Alliance moved in to Kabul, the Taliban removed them from their cells and carried them south. We were unable to mount a direct rescue effort, but fortunately, some friendly Afghans found them and alerted our forces to their whereabouts and we were able to extricate them to safety.

And I hate to bring this up, but our own CIA was accidentally involved in the shootdown of a plane carrying a missionary family in Peru recently, with fatal results. So having the U.S. involved does not absolutely guarantee the safety of American missionaries in foreign countries.

My sister is a missionary, and has been on some extremely dangerous missions. She knows the risks.

The political reality is that Arroyo has allowed the U.S. to do every practical thing possible in her country, against some opposition by a vocal minority. President Bush has expressed his appreciation for her efforts, and I agree with him.

There is one matter where the Philippines government has fallen short of U.S. expectations - the extradition of the fugitive felon Mark Jimenez. I expect the Philippines to meet our demands for his return immediately.

81 posted on 06/07/2002 8:03:53 AM PDT by HAL9000
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I understand the Muslim murderers took the ransom, than kept it, making "more demands". They were missionaries, for crying out loud. No outcry from major Muslim Clerics.
82 posted on 06/07/2002 8:14:48 AM PDT by catonsville
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To: repubmom
Thank God it is over. Thank God one of them survived. Thank God those children will have at least the one parent again.

Thank God Martin is no longer suffering and with our Lord. Thank God that poor nurse is free from the hell of being forced to marry one of those scum.

Thank you Lord for hearing our prayers.

83 posted on 06/07/2002 8:16:54 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Criminal Number 18F
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84 posted on 06/07/2002 8:20:18 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Registered
So true, Registered. Thank you.
85 posted on 06/07/2002 8:22:29 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Martin Burnham and Deborah Yap - Memory Eternal!!!
You can now rest in the loving arms of your Lord, at last freed from the miserable life of being captives among evil.
86 posted on 06/07/2002 8:23:04 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
tearful bump
87 posted on 06/07/2002 8:24:15 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: MarMema, Texasbluebell
He's free in the best sense of the word - in heaven with his Savior. I, too, am glad the children have their mother - there can be some healing - and the grandparents are so involved in their lives - the children are surrounded by love and security. They will all need prayer though as they heal from this trauma. Let's not forget to uphold them in prayer over the next few months.
88 posted on 06/07/2002 8:29:53 AM PDT by repubmom
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To: catonsville
Muslim clerics celebrating the loss of this missionary's life. Count on it!
89 posted on 06/07/2002 8:34:16 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: *Far East;*Islamic_Violence
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90 posted on 06/07/2002 8:44:33 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
The most stupid thing the American government ever did is to get in bed with the Moslem fanatics. We even recruited the zealots types and taught them to use Islam as a reason to kill the infidels. We hired radical hateful clerics to whip these zealots into frenzy of jihad

Now that we created this monster, it is coming back to bite us in the butt! The sad thing about this whole thing is, the idiot that conceived this devilish idea, from which the whole world will suffer for decades, is still alive, and roaming the TV talking head with impunity. If there was justice in this world, this idiot would have become persona nongratta? This idiot is Zeb Brejinsky, the Carter Administration’s National security advisor. I would treat this devil of a man as I would treat the terrorists. He invented them, and collected them from their caves, where they were living in seventh century ideology, and handed them the twenty first century knowledge to torment us.

91 posted on 06/07/2002 8:52:27 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: repubmom
*** Let's not forget to uphold them in prayer over the next few months.

In agreement here.

92 posted on 06/07/2002 8:55:39 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: philosofy123;LaBelleDameSansMerci
Perhaps the two of you could take your negative sentiment away from this thread. While I understand you're upset about the political nature of this situation, let's allow this thread to be for honoring Martin Burnham's life and further information on Gracia's condition. Just a suggestion.
93 posted on 06/07/2002 8:59:01 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Registered
Sad in our minds yes, but glorious in God's. We need to keep things in perspective.

Absolutely true.

94 posted on 06/07/2002 9:04:38 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
If you are saying that the roots of the axis of evil lies with the CIA, you a a bigger F-in idiot than I thought.
95 posted on 06/07/2002 9:09:29 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Mercat
"I'm not ready for U.S. troops to go in and take over in every country on the globe to save American citizens."

God forbid it should be you in that situation, or someone that you love. I feel sorry for you.

96 posted on 06/07/2002 9:32:34 AM PDT by dansangel
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To: HAL9000
I appreciate all of the information that you have posted. You have shown the Burnham's more consideration than our own press.

I'm afraid I must disagree with you, however. I remember well the missionaries' plight in Afghanistan. They knowingly put themselves in harm's way, choosing to remain in a potentially hostile environment.

I find that very different from going to a foreign country to celebrate an anniversary, prior to any terrorist action on US soil, and falling victim to terrorists. The Burnhams may be missionaries, but they were blindsided by their abduction.

The Burnhams are also not military. They depended on the military to protect them, much as I pay my taxes to the US government and expect the US military to protect me in return. I would NOT expect anyone, military or otherwise, to risk their life for me had I knowingly put myself in a hostile situation. My fate would be due to my own folly.

My opinion of the president of the Phillipines is unchanged. If she had been sincere about saving the Burnhams she would have allowed US intervention rather than worrying about losing face in accepting assistance. Our special forces are exponentially better equipped to handle a situation such as the Burnhams' than the Phillipines military.

Again, thank-you for providing this forum. You have done the Burnhams a great justice.

97 posted on 06/07/2002 9:49:21 AM PDT by dansangel
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To: homeschool mama
"Perhaps the two of you could take your negative sentiment away from this thread. While I understand you're upset about the political nature of this situation, let's allow this thread to be for honoring Martin Burnham's life and further information on Gracia's condition. Just a suggestion."

Suggestion seconded. Or thirded, or more by now.

98 posted on 06/07/2002 10:27:07 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: dansangel
They depended on the military to protect them, much as I pay my taxes to the US government and expect the US military to protect me in return. I would NOT expect anyone, military or otherwise, to risk their life for me had I knowingly put myself in a hostile situation

Unfortunately, there cannot be an expectation that the U.S. military will risk their lives for any of our citizens in a foreign country, hostile or otherwise. If an American get kidnapped in Canada or Iraq, they should not have a built-in expectation that the U.S. military will attempt a rescue. The only thing that can be reasonably expected are diplomatic efforts.

The decision to let the Philippines forces attempt the rescue was correct strategically, diplomatically and politically.

99 posted on 06/07/2002 10:28:22 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
"The decision to let the Philippines forces attempt the rescue was correct strategically, diplomatically and politically."

OK, so I concede that perhaps I'm reacting more from the gut than intellectually. For that reason alone I know I would never make a good journalist.

Something about those two grabbed me from the very beginning. I tried to put myself in their situation and was horrified by my imagined feelings, let alone what they must have felt in reality.

I will keep both of them and their families in my prayers. I will also pray for the news media that gives us extensive coverage, ad nauseum, of Skakel the Kennedy clan member, the sins of the Catholic Church and the Enron scandal, but leaves the story of two brave and innocent American victims to gather dust on a shelf somewhere.

100 posted on 06/07/2002 10:51:51 AM PDT by dansangel
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