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Becoming a Biker, Part 2: Learning to handle the new Harley
Union Leader ^ | June 9 2002 | JEANNE MORRIS

Posted on 06/09/2002 4:32:52 AM PDT by 2Trievers

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To: 2Trievers
Chico, and an assistant instructor named Doug, imparted all sorts of valuable and potentially life-saving information to the eight women

8 women in leather? :)

21 posted on 06/09/2002 7:24:34 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Walkin Man
Nah, what you really, really, really, need to be worried about are the people driving the cages that don't even see you at all!

That's a fact. My last ride (1985) ended up with my Harley losing an argument with a moron in a pickup truck who decided he didn't need to be in the left-hand turn lane afterall and pulled directly into my lane not 10 feet in front of me. It took a long time to recover from long list of broken bones. With two young boys to raise, I decided they didn't need a vegetable for a father. I WILL ride again once the youngest is out of college.

22 posted on 06/09/2002 7:27:17 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Rockiesrider
Re: that "riceburner" slam: You do understand that if I'm on my Kawasaki GPz and you're on any Harley you'll only ever see my tailights while there's no chance that I'll see yours until I turn the engine off.

Relativly poor (even miserable) performance is the price Harley pays for using an obsolete twin V design for the sake of getting that nice popping exhaust note that everyone associates with a bad bike.

23 posted on 06/09/2002 7:27:48 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: PUGACHEV
Have you ever noticed that the overwhelming majority of the people who run Harleys into the ground never talk from experience, having never owned one?
24 posted on 06/09/2002 7:38:46 AM PDT by BraveMan
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25 posted on 06/09/2002 7:42:59 AM PDT by WIMom
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To: one_particular_harbour
That's one of the things that I tried to explain to my son. There are people out there that don't care if they kill you or not. There are too many people who think that causing a highway death is just an accident and it doesn't concern them.
26 posted on 06/09/2002 7:43:32 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: BraveMan
The specifications are out there for all to see. My son bought a Ducati after a lot of research. The major pride of a Harley is that it's American Made. That would be good enough for me if I rode motorcycles.
27 posted on 06/09/2002 7:47:51 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: FreedomPoster;sneakypete
The trees don't up and jump in front of you.

You must live in a area with nicey-nice forests, I have known trees, bushes and rocks that traveled miles to get in front of me.

28 posted on 06/09/2002 7:49:31 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Rockiesrider
No self respecting Harley rider would be caught dead on a Sportster

Well, you may be right on that now. I rode a sportster for a short time back when it was "manly" to do so and, I might add, pick up all the pieces it tended to drop along the way. Anyway, the sportsters of today do not, IMHO, make for a good ride. They may be OK for the folks that like to play "harley dress up" on the weekend and scoot around town looking mean but when you're doing serious riding in the K miles, they're not much fun for this old butt.
29 posted on 06/09/2002 7:49:38 AM PDT by pt17
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To: PUGACHEV
Re: that "riceburner" slam: You do understand that if I'm on my Kawasaki GPz and you're on any Harley you'll only ever see my tailights while there's no chance that I'll see yours until I turn the engine off.

Relativly poor (even miserable) performance is the price Harley pays for using an obsolete twin V design for the sake of getting that nice popping exhaust note that everyone associates with a bad bike.

Ah, the "riceburner" mystique! A truly awful thing, that - the most technically advanced and capable machines that a regular working stiff might actually be able to afford happen to be (primarily) designed in Japan. Shameful. Even the fact that a slew of them are built (or at least assembled) here in the states doesn't mitigate the shame. Seriously, though, the slams in each direction, IMHO, are sometimes way off the mark, and sometimes right on target. Harleys used to have a certain "reputation" for being rolling junkheaps; but the quality transformation they've undergone is phenomenal. One of the biggest problems I've seen is that the Motor Company has pursued profit (ain't nothin' wrong with making the bucks, mind you) on the backs of those devotees who kept a faltering operation alive (albeit on life support) through the lean times - they'd buy those clunkers no matter what problems they could expect or what better machines were offered by others, and it was this dedicated core group who truly helped save H-D. But the thanks they got later was to have the machines priced so outrageously that these folks couldn't afford them, or at least complete with RUB's whose pockets fairly bulged with cash. That's a real shame. The criticism leveled at Japanese machines hits home on a couple of points, too - the resale value is much worse than H-D's in general, the frequent resyling means decreased parts interchangeability (and higher replacement costs), and the early attempt to make machines that were kinda "like" Harleys was pretty pathetic. Now, resale values are market-driven, of course, but when a guy or gal can buy a big ticket item for less than MSRP, I count that as a very GOOD thing, personally. And after the first and second iterations of Harley-like knockoffs, the Japanese produced bikes that for all intents and purposes were much, much better than the Milwaukee products, and priced much lower, to boot. It wasn't until the Porsche-assisted introduction of the V-ROD that H-D brought a bike to the marketplace that was the equal of the latest generation of Japanese cruisers. JMHO.

30 posted on 06/09/2002 7:56:54 AM PDT by MarineDad
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To: PUGACHEV
Relativly poor (even miserable) performance is the price Harley pays for using an obsolete twin V design for the sake of getting that nice popping exhaust note that everyone associates with a bad bike.

What's true is true. Whatever else is true of HD's-- they're cool, they give you instant access to a (middle aged) community of riders, they hold their value well-- they're just slow, heavy, and unreliable bikes.

The original article might better be called, "How to buy and ride a motorcycle when you don't know anything about them and are frightened to the bone of riding them." Which is fine-- fear is a healthy response to motorcycling. However, you can a much better bike than a Sportster for $8k (!). And, I'm one of the experienced riders who thinks that the MSF safety course is a waste of time and money. If your state allows you easily to get your license without taking that thing, don't take it. Well, I should provide a qualification: if you find yourself frustrated with fundamental activities, like turns or operating the controls, after an initial get acquainted period, you might think about it. Or, if you're like this author and can't get up the nerve to ride at boulevard speeds after two months of riding then you need some help.

However, if you possess reasonable physical coordination, can operate the controls smoothly after a short acquaintance period, and are serious about teaching yourself, then that's what you should do. Buy a book, the MSF book is good. Start in a parking lot and on slow streets. Then just keep riding.

Otherwise, prepare to stand around for hours and hours in a hot parking lot. Hear overzealous instructors shout about how to pull the brake and clutch at the same time for about fifty minutes before you're allowed-- on a motorcycle with the engine off-- to try it yourself. Spend ten hours of stultifyingly boring time before you have the opportunity to ride a moped-like 125cc bike around orange cones in a parking lot at 15 miles an hour. Listen to the instructor shout at you with all the intensity of someone who caught you trying to to fly an F-16 at an airshow while you putter that little bike around in demoralizing ovals. Then think of all the better things you could be doing on a nice summer weekend. Then think about the $100 bucks you've kissed goodbye.

I speak as an experienced rider with no accidents in many years of riding, and someone who stupidly took that course years ago when I had already had a good deal of experience riding with a learner's permit. Be forewarned...

31 posted on 06/09/2002 8:01:53 AM PDT by Timm
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To: pt17
A question from someone who knows next to nothing about Harleys (or motorcycles in general): what is it about the Sportster that makes it less desirable than other models? And what are its identifying features, so that I could recognize one out on the road?
32 posted on 06/09/2002 8:04:04 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: 2Trievers
As soon as I read the first few paragraphs, I knew the article was written by a woman. No man would ever teach himself to ride a bike this way! I learned how to ride a bike in 1982 when I was stationed on Camp Pendleton with the Marines. I had a Yamaha to borrow for the weekend. I spent 15 minutes in the parking lot of the barracks with my Marine buddy, learning the controls. I then jumped on I-5 and rode it all the way to San Diego (about a 50 mile jaunt each way).

A highly dangerous way to learn I might add and not recommended. But spending a few weeks riding up and down the driveway? You've got to be kidding.

33 posted on 06/09/2002 8:07:43 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: 2Trievers
By the day’s end, Chico handed us all little graduation cards. All 11 of us became bikers right then and there.

Imagine that!

The real thing. And more. <P. How could this be? I didn't read anything about tatoos,jewelry,scarey-sounding nicknames,or "Official Harley-Davidson clothing"?

34 posted on 06/09/2002 8:12:05 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: PUGACHEV
Re: that "riceburner" slam: You do understand that if I'm on my Kawasaki GPz and you're on any Harley you'll only ever see my tailights while there's no chance that I'll see yours until I turn the engine off.

In my experience, Harley riders are far far more polite and safe out there on the road ways when you compare them to those that ride riceburners. For that reason alone, I would rather buy a Harley and strive to live up to their responsible behavior. The tone and topic of your comment only highlights the dangerous mentality of the rice burner crowd.

35 posted on 06/09/2002 8:13:51 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: 2Trievers
BTW, I wish to add that taking a course on riding a bike is a very good idea. I wish I had done so back in 1982 and I'd probably still be riding today. I was only making fun of the weeks of "up and down" the driveway that this woman put herself through - not the taking of the course itself.
36 posted on 06/09/2002 8:15:44 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Yardstick
Sportsters are just smaller in cc's and have a different transmission than a Hog, at least thats how it was back in the day. I see nothing wrong with them and I'd much rather ride a Sporty than any rice burning, rice rocket in existence! It all comes down to this: Do you have 20,000+ dollars to spend? Get a big Hog! Not enough coin of the realm? Get a Sporty! I haven't got enough now-a-days for either! )c:
37 posted on 06/09/2002 8:16:39 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: one_particular_harbour
I preferred the old Federal highways to Interstate riding. Lots more to see at a slower pace,

It ain't about getting there,it's about enjoying the trip.

38 posted on 06/09/2002 8:16:50 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: SamAdams76
As soon as I read the first few paragraphs, I knew the article was written by a woman. No man would ever teach himself to ride a bike this way! . . . spending a few weeks riding up and down the driveway? You've got to be kidding

LOL Oh boy, now you've done it. If only they were this deliberate in learning how to drive a car :)

39 posted on 06/09/2002 8:18:07 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Yardstick
what is it about the Sportster that makes it less desirable than other models? And what are its identifying features, so that I could recognize one out on the road?

Well, IMHO, they're a smaller, bone-jarring, cheap little motorcycle that's just not comfortable - more like a dumbed-down hotrod than a well-handling sports car. Many will have a peanut-sized tank that will just about get you to the grocery store and back. As for recognitition, see the picture below.


40 posted on 06/09/2002 8:19:05 AM PDT by pt17
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