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Official TWA 800 Findings Challenged
Accuracy In Media ^ | June 10, 2002 | Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 06/10/2002 4:43:57 PM PDT by Asmodeus

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To: yooper
What do you think the official crash conclusion would have been had Richard Reid gotten that shoe lit?

He was sitting over the center fuel tank, with a C-4 based bomb, big enough to start an on board explosion.

I have mixed feelings on TWA 800. I want to believe the FBI, but in light of current events, the weak evidence and Richard Reid's botched attempt, you really have to think hard before concluding either way. To me, it seems likely the crash was a terrorist homicide.

Maybe some day, the truth will be established.

I hope so for the families and our nation.

21 posted on 06/10/2002 5:59:44 PM PDT by JBBooks
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To: Asmodeus
Your allegations serve no constructive purpose. Present the readers with supporting evidence.

I asked you a question:

Who are you, and why do you do this?
I didn't make "allegations." I just asked a question, and you ignored it. (I would be happy to answer the same question, but you and almost everyone else here already knows the answer.)

I did present some brief description of evidence. (Police reports are evidence.) If you rally want I can probably still find a link to the reports, or repost a few of the ones I saved.

But more to the point, about who you are I mean. I just did a search for your posts. The overwhelming majority were obviously about TWA 800, which I find a bit unusual. But I wanted to see what you had to say about another topic, so I clicked on something about "FBI warns law enforcement that al- Qaeda may have SAMs," and you know what, that post was about TWA 800 too.

I suggest you reply honestly, or go away. Any other reply will trigger an abuse report from me. FR doesn't need disinformation specialists.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 06/10/2002 6:04:11 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Bump.
24 posted on 06/10/2002 6:05:42 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: ml/nj
"Who are you, and why do you do this?"

As a civilian investigator for 50+ years I've personally interviewed thousands of witnesses and personally analyzed the reports of thousands of others while also routinely organizing investigation teams of other seasoned experts on related matters. It’s appropriate to note that investigations are in fact trial preparation and that each member of an investigation team may later be called to testify and be cross-examined by the other side’s lawyer. The bigger the case, the more qualified by training and experience all involved are, including the lawyers. So something like the Flight 800 disaster is not a case for wannabe experts on any subject.

25 posted on 06/10/2002 6:28:49 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Truth is determined by facts - not suspicions, speculations, allegations or accusations.

and as long as there is enough confusion, there will always be doubt enough to conceal it.

26 posted on 06/10/2002 6:33:18 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Asmodeus
I'm still puzzled at how young that 747 airframe was ... it's age had been kept a secret all these years ...
27 posted on 06/10/2002 6:33:33 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: JBBooks
What do you think the official crash conclusion would have been had Richard Reid gotten that shoe lit?
What's more telling is the fodded engines on the starboard side - the same side as the *******-******* ***** *** **** which was probablatic on several 747's in the past.

And -

- did anybody know the engines were heavily fodded on one side only?

28 posted on 06/10/2002 6:37:57 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Confederate Keyester
Who are we to believe?
Well, for starters you could review the factual evidence - what parts of the aircraft and what articles were found where ...

(That would be new for a Freeper - reviewing the evidence!)

29 posted on 06/10/2002 6:40:40 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: harpseal
I would suggest you familiarize yourself with all the details.
How about becoming familiar with the history of the 747 aircraft?

Naw - I guess that's really out of the question ... after all, when have past problems indicated potential failure-prone sub-systems on an aircraft going forward into the future ...

30 posted on 06/10/2002 6:45:03 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Asmodeus
therefore:
the klinton fbi and the reno justice dept. have never or would never conceal or cover up any incident, including 800.
there is no motivation to cover up an incident right before the US olympics, which were billed as very secure by the klinton admin.
there was no motivation for terrorists to strike at this specific time, even though they threatened to attack us.
there was also no pattern of terrorism which led to 9-11, or the wtc I bombing, or the Egyptair plane that crashed into the sea before the copilot screeched some islamic nonsense.
And,...the explanation that authorities gin up to excuse uniquely exploding planes is authentic.
31 posted on 06/10/2002 6:47:11 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: _Jim
...The initial explosion was not seen by any known witnesses...

Do you believe that assertion to be true?

32 posted on 06/10/2002 6:52:10 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Asmodeus
As a civilian investigator for 50+ years I've personally interviewed thousands of witnesses and personally analyzed the reports of thousands of others while also routinely organizing investigation teams of other seasoned experts on related matters.

Please let us know what a "civilian investigator does. Are you a "private detective?" Do you handle claims for an insurance company? And why do you insist that there is no evidence in the TWA 800 case when there is obviously lots of evidence? Why do you care so much about this case?

And while you're replying, please let us know how many aircraft accident reports you have read and whether you are a pilot or not. (FTR, I've read many, and I am, though no longer active.)

ML/NJ

33 posted on 06/10/2002 6:54:54 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Asmodeus
I have known personally one person by the name of Lipinski. He was a turd, too.
34 posted on 06/10/2002 6:57:58 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: Asmodeus
...The initial explosion was not seen by any known witnesses...

Do you believe that assertion to be true?

Anything other than a yes or no response will be considered "of course such a claim is ludicrous on its face, because LI beaches are probably the most densely populated beaches in the nation".

Thanks in advance for your yes or no response.

35 posted on 06/10/2002 7:03:01 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
... given the series of events that best fits the evidence as well as certain previous history of 'events' that have befallen a select number of 747's -

- yes ...

36 posted on 06/10/2002 7:03:04 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: galt-jw
"the klinton fbi and the reno justice dept. have never or would never conceal or cover up any incident, including 800."

Excerpt from The "Missile Witnesses" Myth.

[quote] James Kallstrom’s erroneous assumption on the basis of intial reports that Flight 800 may have been the victim of a missile shootdown led to the FBI being authorized to seize control of the investigation from the NTSB at the outset. He promptly elbowed aside the NTSB Witness Interview Teams, as documented in NTSB Exhibit 4-A, and substituted his own agents to interview the witnesses, ignoring the fact that the NTSB Teams were far better qualified for that role. Making matters worse, as the complaints from so many of the witnesses reflect about extremely brief and sketchy interviews, it appears he gave them orders to move fast to find the "smoking gun" of a missile shootdown that he was apparently convinced would be readily found. Yet, he should have known within 24-72 hours that he was likely on the wrong track because of the satellite sighting of the Massive Fireball explosion "about a mile above the surface", the witness reports flooding in that the destination of fiery streak was the Massive Fireball explosion, not the 747 and the ATC tape recording documenting the time of McClaine’s radio report of the MF explosion. [end quote]

If either Louis Freeh or Janet Reno had been properly supervising Kallstrom, his wild goose chase would have been obvious to them early on.

37 posted on 06/10/2002 7:04:34 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: _Jim
No - you're trying to be slick. Are you saying there are no witnesses - not that the witnesses got wrong what they saw - but there are no witnesses.

You can't give a yes or no answer either - most indicative...

38 posted on 06/10/2002 7:08:23 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Asmodeus
"If either Louis Freeh or Janet Reno had been properly supervising Kallstrom, his wild goose chase would have been obvious to them early on.", thats what I've been saying all along. They had nothing to do with the hucklebuck.
39 posted on 06/10/2002 7:09:34 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Asmodeus
The evidence that TWA 800 was brought down by a missile is overwhelming. I have noticed that you keep intervening on every thread about this subject with the same bogus objections, which you seem to have prepared beforehand ready to be pasted in. I don't know why you bother, since you do nothing but repeat the same nonsense again and again, and it's unlikely that any Freepers will be influenced by your assertions.
40 posted on 06/10/2002 7:11:48 PM PDT by Cicero
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