Official TWA 800 Findings Challenged

Accuracy In Media ^ | June 10, 2002 | Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

[Wil H]

Over 120 independant witness claim they saw a red streak come up from the surface towards the plane, and, when you triangualate these independant reports they corroborate each other.

The NTSB And FBI suppressed this overwhelming evidence.

So where are you coming from?

[Wil H]

I do not know or surmise what brought down TWA 800, but I know from firefighting experience that the atmosphere inside a warm, sealed jet fuel tank is not an explosive mixture.

Furthermore, the baggage containers stowed immediately in front of the the fuel tank were virtually undamaged yet those in front of them were destroyed....explain that...

[Asmodeus]

For nearly six years now, the "shootdown" tinfoil hats have falsely accused thousands of innocent Americans - many of them members of the U.S. armed forces - of heinous crimes that never took place.

[Asmodeus]

"Over 120 independant witness claim they saw a red streak come up from the surface towards the plane, and, when you triangualate these independant reports they corroborate each other. The NTSB And FBI suppressed this overwhelming evidence."

NTSB Exhibit 4A: * 39.95% of the witnesses said they saw a streak of light. Of the 183 witnesses who said they saw a streak of light
* 79.78% provided a description of the path taken by the streak
* 52.73% said it was ascending.
* 07.53% said it was descending.
* 32/19% said it was both ascending and descending.
* 06.16% said it was level.
* 01.36% said it was both level and ascending.

[ladyinred]

If this was a missile, as I think it probably was, the reason they would lie is because it would have shut down the airline industry among other things. Since 911 I have considered this a lot. If it was a terrorist attack, they would not have told us to avoid panic as well as what I said above.
I disagree with the tatics if they are indeed true, however, to compare Bush to Clinton is just ludicrous.

[First_Salute]

To date, approx. 75% of the Clinton Administration remains intact.

[timestax]

bump for justice

[Houmatt]

I think it's time for you to tell the rest of us who you are and why you do this.

Forget it. He never will.

One can only speculate why Asmodeus has made it a point to bring up TWA 800 so many times since he first became a member in September of last year. It is almost like he has a vested interest in getting people to believe his cock and bull story about a center fuel tank explosion.

My best guess is he was planted by the government in an attempt to turn reasonable people to the spin.

[First_Salute]

FRPR Asmodeus, writes in a style similar to the former FRPR eb44, who went by the name Elmer Barr; compare:

FLIGHT 800: COMDR. DONALDSON'S GRAPHICS & COMMENTS ON RADAR REPORTS DRAMATIZE TIMELINE CONFLICTS

... and then FRPR eb44, seems to have inadvertently co-opted Jim Robinson's Free Republic format to another website:

TWA 800: COMDR. DONALDSON'S GRAPHICS & COMMENTS ON RADAR REPORTS DRAMATIZE TIMELINE CONFLICTS/PART 2

FRPR eb44 is no longer at Free Republic.

There the trail goes cold.

[First_Salute]

Bump - R'69.

[Houmatt]

The fiery events in the sky didn't commence until 30+ seconds AFTER the Initiating Event at 13,800 feet and there was nothing unusual in the sky for the witnesses to see until then.

Horsehockey.

Since it is obvious you failed physical science (as first indicated by your assertion that debris falls up), you should know that light travels at 186,000 MPH.

Now, with this in mind, and considering people said they saw an object move wholly independent of the plane itself until it connected with said plane, what you are saying here is, at the very least, ludicrous.

Look, pal, whether you like it or not, you are done here. You are finished. I am not the only one who is on to you, now. You have been asked pointed questions, to which you have given vague answers, when you answer them at all.

How long do you think people here are going to put up with the shenanigans of a proven charlatan?

Or perhaps you are some kind of masochist, who likes getting his butt kicked all over this website?

[Swordmaker]

Asmodeus, you are an idiot with a one theory fits all approach to the evidence... if it doesn't fit YOUR theory, it doesn't exist. There are more than several witnesses who saw and described the entire events including the later occuring massive fireball that occured AFTER the initiating explosions.

FIRO is demanding access under the Freedom of Information Act to the very evidence you claim does not exist. The autopsy reports of 89 passengers list shrapnel of "unknown origination" and the origin of these metal shards WAS NOT INVESTIGATED. In addition, other reports show that the "pelletized" shrapnel WAS analyzed and "contained zirconium and barium" in sufficient quantity to be noted. Neither of these elements was expected to be found and ARE consistent with high explosive ordnance!

Quit pounding your damn drum about the "witness myth". Only you believe that hundreds of eye witnesses did not see what they reported. Nobody here who has bothered to investigate and read the reports and analyze the data for themselves are swallowing your line of bunk! Go somewhere else!

[Swordmaker]

No, _Jim, that is just more of your disinformation.

The serial number and complete history of that particular 747 are known and published and are NOT SECRET.

[Quila]

Normally in these cases I say "conspiracy theory" and laugh at the guys with the tin foil hats, especially when it's related to AIM. However, TWA 800 is looking more suspicious every day. There's just too much evidence and far too much coverup going on.

[Swordmaker]

Emer Barr was a frequent disrupter of the discussion area on Donaldson's TWA-500 ARAP site... and no matter WHAT topic was being discussed he had REAMS of material at his fingertips to obfuscate and refute what ever was posted... and the time-date stamps showed that he responded 24 hours a day, 7 days a week... within minutes of any posting of substance. Both Asmodeus and Barr are probably fictitious names for a GROUP of people with an agenda.

One theory I have is that Asmodeus is an investigator for one of the Attorney's suing Boeing and TWA... and it is in THEIR interest to maintain the fiction that a DESIGN FLAW was responsible for the Flight 800's downing. If, god forbid, TERRORISTS were responsible, then the money from the deep pockets would not flow!

[Swordmaker]

The Cargo Door scenario is balderdash, _Jim, and your veiled hints that something is drastically wrong with the design of the 747 ala Corazon.com is twaddle.

Corazon.com's owner thinks PanAM-103 was a mechanical as well... despite all evidence (including explosive residue) to the contrary.

[Swordmaker]

You asked:

I'm still puzzled at how young that 747 airframe was ... it's age had been kept a secret all these years ...

For your information:

From the introduction of Boeing's report to the NTSB on TWA Flight 800:

On July 17, 1996, Trans World Airlines Flight 800 departed New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to Paris, France, carrying 212 passengers and 18 crewmembers. The aircraft was a Boeing 747-100 that had been delivered in November 1971 and had accumulated 93,303 flight-hours and 16,869 cycles prior to this flight. It departed JFK about 8:16 p.m. eastern time and was climbing through 13,760 feet when, 14 minutes into the flight, it exploded and fell into the Atlantic Ocean approximately 9 miles off Long Island. All 230 people onboard were killed.

Does that provide the "secret" information you lack?

[eno_]

Excellent catch Swordmaker! The collective intelligence of FR not only discredits the liars but even points out their motive. The shoe sure fits that these disruptors are the hired dogs of a tort sleaze.

As for the pellets, the Bofors RBS 70 uses titanium pellets in its warhead, which is big enough to have hit that many people. I'm sure there are other possibilities, but it is almost certain the weapon could be ID from the shrapnel. I've only just started researching this.

[Mr. Quarterpanel]

Since it is obvious you failed physical science (as first indicated by your assertion that debris falls up), you should know that light travels at 186,000 MPH.

You didn't do so well yourself!

[harpseal]

How about becoming familiar with the history of the 747 aircraft?

I have checked the history of the 747 aircraft and there have been no other cases of 747's exploding in mid flight from a "problem in the center fuel tank." In fact this is the only such incident where a spark seems to have caused a problem in this tank. Now why don't you address why the FBI would discount the input from Brookhaven national labratory that metal fragments that are not consistent with the metals used in the 747 are present in some of the bodies. Perhaps you can speculate on where these metal fragments originated. Perhaps you can give some additional insight.

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