The World s Poor Lose a Friend

Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | June, 2002 | Sheldon Richman

[laredo44]

The problem with all the central command ecomonies is that they never account for the efficient introduction of change.

"Central command economies" - Are you referring to "free trade" and "open borders" and "cheap immigrant labor" to keep wages low, and benefit corporate America and the Cato Institute.

My question is, "What is your proposed method for introducing change into society?" You seek to dodge that question. You appear berefit of constructive thought in that area, interested in how to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Utopian socialism, like the Titanic sank because it had no viable process for change when compared to capitalism. Don't explain, yet again, how change causes problems. Explain how your jobs-for-life ideal effectively assimilates change.

[Tuco-bad]

My wife for instance loves her job.

Big deal - many people love their jobs.

The point is that corporate America shouldn't be "forcing" our government to engage in "free trade", "open borders" (both of which are causes of the 911 bombings), to keep wages down.

[OfByForThePeople]

Peter Bauer could run rings around John Kenneth Galbraith [and he did]. The media just never noticed. I'm sad to say I didn't even know he died last month.

[Tuco-bad]

You and people like you are parasites, and the sooner you get it through your head that the PRODUCERS of this nation aren't going to let the likes of you turn this place into the hell-hole that is the Swedish economy, the sooner you can start packing your bags to leave.

You and people like you are parasites, and the sooner you get it through your head that the CITIZENS and PRODUCERS of this nation aren't going to let the likes of you turn this place into the hell-hole that is the third-world economy, the sooner you can start packing your bags to leave.

[Tuco-bad]

In my personal experience, with very few exceptions, union members and government employees are those who cannot make it in the world of PRODUCTIVE work. They need protection, they need to have SUBSIDIES to keep them employed.

Are you saying firemen and policemen cannot make it in the world of PRODUCTIVE work?

[Tuco-bad]

You could also wait until the anual review, or maybe after you've made your employer so much money through your hard work that you feel confident about aproaching him to redefine the terms of your employment.

And which Wonderland do you in in?

Employers can simply replace most workers with imported labor, or the surplus of workers that corporate/government policies create.

[Tuco-bad]

Perhaps you have emotional reasons for limiting your vision. Maybe you lost a job to a "foriegner".

And perhaps you are not a worker, or work in a "protected" job environment?

BTW - Your post sounds so very un-American (you sound like a one-WORLDER).

[Tuco-bad]

"What is your proposed method for introducing change into society?"

Cease corporate/government policies of importing workers into our country to keep wages low.

[Movemout]

TB, you are a masochist. Every notion that you have posted on this board has been blasted and refuted ad infinitum yet you keep coming back. The economies of the world, which have open markets and less government interference have been the winners in the contest for more freedom and wealth of the individual. A salient outcome is that those who want not to work may chose that strategy and fare poorly. Unfortunately governments usually step in to rescue them from the consequences of their poor choices. I think it should be a culling process. Charities often rescue the ones who are needy through no reason of their own making.

Command economies cannot accomodate the efficiencies of change as has been pointed out. They are also oriented by whims of their leaders who make disastrous political and social priorities for their disenfranchised populations. The millions who starved under the benevolent leadership of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot would agree with me but they cannot because they are dead. Go haunt DU and get off FR as you promised during the last election.

[laredo44]

What is your proposed method for introducing change into society?"

Cease corporate/government policies of importing workers into our country to keep wages low.

Pardon me, but I'm having difficulty connecting your response to my question. It seems that you are saying that wages in this country, at this time, are low. Is that in fact your contention? Further, I believe you associate imported workers with causing, or at least sustaining low wages. Again, have I followed your post this far?

So, assuming we ban imported workers, how will this change wages? Or are current wage rates ok?

Finally, what has this to do with the efficient assimilation of change into our society?

[Tuco-bad]

The economies of the world, which have open markets and less government interference have been the winners in the contest for more freedom and wealth of the individual.

Yeah! Like Somalia and Poland (see today's NY Times).

[Tuco-bad]

assuming we ban imported workers, how will this change wages?

Wages would go up!

Ever hear of "supply and demand"?

BTW - Did you ever stop to think that if we weren't importing so much hi-tech labor, you most likely would be able to find permanent work.

[FreePaul]

Like Somalia and Poland

Bad examples. Somalia hasn't had a government in recent history. Since they got out of Russian influence Poland hasn't had the same government long enough to tell what they can do.

[Tuco-bad]

Bad examples (Somalia and Poland).

Okay, which countries have open markets and less government interference that are doing so well?

[Rodney King]

Good for you. I am glad to see people with a basic understanding of ecnomics standing up to the Buchanan economic illiterates, who know absolutley nothing about which they speak.

[Semper Paratus]

Hong Kong was a British possession with little democracy until 1997

What?

[FreePaul]

Okay, which countries have open markets and less government interference that are doing so well?

All governments have laws and regulations. There are those believe that governments should have laws defining all behavior. Those governments don't do well without outside help. The United States is doing well in supporting itself as well as Mexico in spite of all of the government interference in business activity. In the US the interference is excessive but not as bad as in most countries.

[Tuco-bad]

The United States is doing well in supporting itself as well as Mexico in spite of all of the government interference in business activity. In the US the interference is excessive but not as bad as in most countries.

The United States is doing well though government interference is excessive, so you state.

Isn't that a contradiction to your prior posts?

[FreePaul]

Isn't that a contradiction to your prior posts?

Please let me know what "prior posts" you mean and the contradiction. The United States has a constitution. It specifically states the power of Government. Anything our Government does that is not permitted by the Constitution is excessive or illegal. Hasn't stopped them in many areas.

Enviornmental regulations are designed to cost more jobs in the United States than any illegal or legal immigration.

[FreePaul]

Isn't that a contradiction to your prior posts?

Please let me know what "prior posts" you mean and the contradiction. The United States has a constitution. It specifically states the power of Government. Anything our Government does that is not permitted by the Constitution is excessive or illegal. Hasn't stopped them in many areas.

Enviornmental regulations are designed to cost more jobs in the United States than any illegal or legal immigration.