ABRAHAM LINCOLN: AMERICA'S GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL

Dixie Daily ^ | 6/17/02 | Ron Holland

[Vladiator]

Lincoln’s War also effectively overthrew the existing decentralized, limited federal government that had existed and governed well in the US since established by America’s founding fathers. Lincoln bastardized a respected federal government with limited powers into a dictatorial, uncontrollable Washington federal empire.

Please, when you leave the country, do not let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. And please do not take anything that does not belong to you.

Oh, you're staying? Well, it must be a real cross to bear, all this opression. See you at the voting booth.

[Colt .45]

Hey brother, the Yankees are happier than pigs in sh*t being blind. You know that they will come out with the same old yadda-yadda, blase-blase-blah every time!

[shuckmaster]

Thanks for the flag!

[Jim Scott]

How sad that 137 years after his death folks are still attempting to trash Lincoln and paste whatever current civil war mythology is current onto his presidency. Now it's an attempt to portray the Civil War as one big war crime and Abe Lincoln as the chief war criminal. Oh my. Next old Abe will morph into a 'terrorist' and be compared to Arafat - or has that one been tried already? Hard to keep up with all the anti-Lincoln stuff when real threats to our country right now seem a bit more important.

Unbelievable that in the 21st century this endless rehashing of a period long, long past in our nations history is still able to generate windy diatribes like the above article and who-knows-how-many websites, books, 'newsletters' and other Civil War-era detritus. To what end? Oh, yes, the 'truth' must be known. Yes, yes.

Give it up.

[nicollo]

Author grabs straw.
Builds man.
Cuts it in half.
Neo-Confeds rise in applause.

[Restorer]

I really don't have time for an extended debate about the WBTS and Lincoln's criminality. However, I do think it is possible for there to be a middle ground between thinking of blacks as animals to be exploited for the profit of others for their entire life, and viewing them as the exact equals of white men.

Lincoln was somewhere in this middle ground, along with the vast majority of northern whites of the time. By today's standards this made them racist. So what?

I happen to believe northerners with this attitude were wrong. However, they were a lot less wrong than those, the vast majority of southerners, who were willing to fight, kill and die to preserve the abominable institution of slavery. A more un-American attitude it is hard to imagine.

[nicollo]

[Malcolm]

As a Southerner, let me say that I think AL was one of the best presidents of the 19th century, if not THE best. I'm proud to be a Southerner, but I'm not into calling good evil, or evil good. Lincoln was not perfect, but were the charlatan leaders of the Civil War-era South any better? They convinced most Southern whites to fight a war that could not possibly be won against the much more populous and vastly more industrial north, mostly if not entirely for the benefit of the plantation-ownership class, plus deceived them into thinking that somehow this was a "State's rights" issue, not one over slavery. The correct answer is no.....

[Restorer]

No, I don't believe all southerners died for slavery. If you read my post you'll note that I stated that secession was caused by slavery. I believe those who agitated for and led the south into secession to protect this institution bear the primary responsibility for the consequences of the war. This, BTW, is similar to R.E. Lee's take on the cause of the war.

Once the war had started, most southerners fought to defend their homes against invasion, as did General Lee, not specifically to preserve slavery. But that doesn't change the fact that had they been successful slavery would have lasted much longer in America. To that extent they were fighting for slavery, just as the other side was fighting against it, whether they meant to or not.

[SamAdams76]

It is my hope that someday, in the not too distant future, a true account of the war crimes of Lincoln will be discussed, debated and even acknowledged.

I hope this guy is not holding his breath. Jeez. What a load of tripe. Everybody knows that it was FDR that brought us big, intrustive federal government. All Lincoln tried to do was hold this nation together. And he succeeded, though at enormous cost of life, including his own. Would we be better off if we had split into two (or more) countries? That question will never be answered but I think we are all better off as the United States of America. In fact, it's a shame that we couldn't have spread over all of North America while we had the chance (during the 1800s). But we were too busy fighting amongst ourselves.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Mr. Holland, I eagerly anticipate your 'Opus'.

[shuckmaster]

In fact, it's a shame that we couldn't have spread over all of North America while we had the chance (during the 1800s).

"We" were in the process of doing that as soverign states until the tyrant took power & discarded the constitution to force an all empowered centralized fed on his collected subjects. "What will I do without my tariffs"?

[Jim Scott]

Sorry to spoil your (no doubt) cherished zinger but 'my ancestor' was probably a peasant in europe at the time.

Now I'm curious: How does it feel to be angry over 140-year-old grieviences and a war that took place generations before you were ever born? Is it that easy to find something to be angry about every morning?
Is your life really that boring amd unrewarding that you must look back a century and a half to find a grievience and a man to hate than go on about it for the rest of your life?

Must be great to have so few real-life problems that you can dredge up some ancient animus over a president dead since 1865 and make a life around that anger. It's also pathetic.

What these anti-Lincoln, lets-all-fight-the-Civil-War-again threads accomplish is hard to fathom and how they relate to modern conservative politics is simply invisible. Don't they have specific hate-Lincoln/The South Will Rise Again websites for this endless argument? Why do we need it on FR, over and over and over again?
How does this relate to what FR is about? The whole subject is tiresome and pointless. Again: give it up.

[JohnnyReb1983]

First I would like to say I love www.shucks.net. Its a great site and very well organized. Second I would like to say that you Yankees are getting more intrusive and annoying everyday. Any modern historian knows Lincoln was an aggresive Racist who would probably be a grand wizard today in the KKK. Which I'm sure some of you Yankees are apart of.

[the quadfather]

This is to all of y'all yanks and PC jerks: There's no Dixie? Then what do you call the former Confederacy (besides the generic "south")? It's still Dixie and always will be. Just because our government was trampled by yours, doesn't mean it isn't Dixie anymore. Dumb yankee. Business all across Dixie are named for Dixie, the same way you would name a business after the town it is in, as in Macon Auto Parts or Atlanta Bread Company. We're not only still here, we still fly our flags, though not officially. Y'all are just mad because one of ours told the truth about your great leader. Though I don't support the comparisons to Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, the article is pretty much on the mark. A study that goes beyond government school propaganda text books will show this. It was necessary to lionize Lincoln to cover up what America lost in terms of limited government. Why was the US government afraid to prosecute Jefferson Davis? So you say that it wasn't written that the states had the right to succeed? Tell me, Where was it written in 1861 that the states didn't have a right to succeed? It was generally believed to be so by most Americans, North and South. Our founding fathers stated it quite clearly. The South didn't betray the North. It was our right to leave, and the North betrayed the South by sending troops to Fort Sumter. It is true that Dixie fired on the Northern troops, and did so because they were trespassing. The large government VS small government arguement still rages in the halls of congress, and as the correct side loses, we all slowly lose our freedoms one by one. Only the political parties involved have switched sides. The elephant and jackass fight it out while the real freedom lovers, the libertarians, sit on the sidelines.