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Man Who Fingered McVeigh Stays Mum On 'John Doe #2'
San Antonio Lightning ^ | June 19, 2002 | RG Griffing

Posted on 06/19/2002 5:20:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

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To: Snowy
Thanks, this is great. I'm not a morning person and until my 2-3 cups of coffee hit my CNS. I'm like a V8 running on a couple of cylinders:


41 posted on 06/19/2002 8:33:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Poohbah
Care to name the names of those who "diviated" from the "party line," and what happened to them?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/618176/posts

First OKCPD Officer in Murrah Building after Explosion Murdered, Throat Cut, Body Dragged with Rope

Why don't you listen to the words of the mother of Terry Yeakey's children for your answer.

42 posted on 06/19/2002 8:56:43 AM PDT by honway
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To: Poohbah
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3affee2e2ec9.htm

Unresolved Deaths in Oklahoma

There is a lot of information in this link, but I suggest you scan through the link for the newspaper articles about the death of Mike Loudenslager if you are interested in an answer to your question.

43 posted on 06/19/2002 9:03:18 AM PDT by honway
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To: Poohbah
Daily Oklahoman

7-3-95

Mystery Lingers about Victim's Last Sacrifice

"Story I heard is that Mike had helped two people out and had gone back in for another," said Jim Dutton, who knew Loudenslager when the Harrah man was with the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve Mounted Patrol.

Loudenslager's younger brother, Tim, said he, too, had been told his brother may have made the ultimate sacrifice April 19.

Tim Loudenslager said such a deed would have been, as his brother might have put it, "the cowboy way. "

"I guess that's the kind of thing the old cowboys would do - go back in and save other people," Tim Loudenslager said. "Knowing Mike, in my heart I believe he did it. "

And Don Rogers, Loudenslager's boss with the General Services Administration, said, "You know, I didn't see it, but that's no sign that it didn't happen. It wouldn't surprise me if Mike did something like that. "

Ray Blakeney, director of operations for the state medical examiner's office, said he heard Loudenslager, a GSA planner/estimator, was not in the Murrah Building at the time of the bombing. Instead he was in court on a case involving his reserve sheriff's role. Blakeney said he heard Loudenslager went to the building to help in the rescue effort and was killed.

"A district judge says he was in court at the time of the bombing," Blakeney said.

Rogers doubts Blakeney's story. Rogers said he saw Loudenslager in the federal building just minutes before the bombing occurred.

There is at least one person who says Loudenslager saved him.

Tears came easily to Randy Ledger as he talked about Loudenslager and the heroic role he believes his friend played.

"Michael, No. 1, was a tremendous man. He would do anything for anyone if he could," Ledger said.

Ledger, a GSA maintenance worker, said he was in the first-floor GSA office when the bombing shattered the 1 building.

He said he lost consciousness and when he came to, he was covered by about 6 inches of rubble. Ledger said he began to make tapping noises on the debris in hope someone would hear and come to his aid.

That someone turned out to be Loudenslager, Ledger said.

"I heard this voice say, `I hear ya. Keep tapping,' " Ledger said.

Loudenslager's distinctive voice gave the despairing Ledger hope. He did not think anyone would find him before he lost consciousness again.

"He had a voice that you could pick out of a crowd. It was just a Southern twang - unmistakable," Ledger said.

Ledger said his eyes couldn't really focus on anything, but he did see a shadow, which he believes was Loudenslager. "I heard him say, `Hey, we got one up here! ' " Ledger said.

Ledger said he lost consciousness again and when he awoke police officer Terry Yeakey and emergency medical technician Darryl Wood were there to help him out of the rubble.

Later, in the hospital, Ledger was visited by Loudenslager's family, and he told them Loudenslager had saved his life.

When Loudenslager's body was found April 23, some people doubted his story, Ledger said.

44 posted on 06/19/2002 9:13:21 AM PDT by honway
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To: Poohbah
Assistant U.S. Attorney Ted Richarson's death

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39d6eb725dac.htm

45 posted on 06/19/2002 9:22:21 AM PDT by honway
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To: TomGuy; Grampa Dave
You are so right! I noticed the same thing about Watergate and figured there must be something breaking. For years the media has pulled that out when they want to cover up a story that might make the DemocRATS look bad.
46 posted on 06/19/2002 9:30:53 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: PJ-Comix
Wow.
47 posted on 06/19/2002 9:34:31 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: HoosierFather
Governor Keating was never head of ATF as this article states but was in a position at DOJ that oversaw many of the law enforcement organizations. Following is his biography for that period of time:

In 1981, President Ronald Reagan appointed Frank Keating as United States Attorney for the Northern District of Oklahoma. He was soon chosen chairman of all of the U. S. Attorneys, and in 1985 he was named Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, beginning seven years of Washington service that would make him the highest ranking Oklahoma in the Reagan and Bush administrations. Keating also held the positions of Associate Attorney General in the Department of Justice and General Counsel and Acting Deputy Secretary at the Department of Housing and Urban Development. In Washington, Keating oversaw the operations of virtually every federal law enforcement agency, including the Secret Service, U. S. Customs Service, ATF, the U. S. Marshals Service, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and all 94 U. S. Attorneys. He was also the American representative to Interpol and was chairman of the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Georgia.
48 posted on 06/19/2002 9:35:30 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom; TomGuy
Going back to the orginal China Gate Loral hearings, it became very obvious that the left wing maggots in LaLa land and NYC had the videos, films and phoney docu commentaries ready to go whenever the Clintoons/Goron got caught doing something wrong.

This recycled Watergate stuff is aimed at the soft middle of our population which has been brained washed to believe that Nixon et al was worse than Stalin/Hitler, Mao, Castro/ and the NKs.

So when the spotlight comes on the Clintoons or other rats caught in worse criminal behavior out comes the skeleton of Nixon and Watergate/deep throat is run up the flag pole to distract the soft middle from the real news as TomGuy pointed out so clearly.

49 posted on 06/19/2002 10:02:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: *OKCbombing
Bump list
50 posted on 06/19/2002 11:02:32 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Grampa Dave
I think I will get my girlfriend, Beverly Lumpkin, who is the DOJ reporter for ABC News to ask about the John Doe #2 videos at the next DOJ press conference. As you might know, Ms Lumpkin is wildly in love with YOURS TRULY because I gave her the most fame she ever had a couple of years ago with my many "Beverly Lumpkin Alert" posts here on the FR. Unfortunately, over the past year, her reporting has become quite banal. I posted something about this here on the FR and suggested Beverly spice up her writing. However, she took my advice way too far because she did a story (which proved to be somewhat unfactual) that suggested that John Ashcroft ordered the coverup of the nekkid statues of the DOJ. Her story only hinted this was the case but many news outlets wrongly interpreted Ms Lumpkin's somewhat vague story. Therefore an incorrect story went out on the wires all because Ms Lumpkin wanted desperately to impress her PJ.

Hey Beverly! You wanna impress your PJ? Then DROP the banal stories and ASK some questions as to the whereabouts of the John Doe #2 videos that were confiscated (and never released) by the FBI. If you do this, Bev, your PJ will be very happy with you and will even consider allowing you to buy him dinner.

51 posted on 06/19/2002 11:13:28 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: honway
Great links! Glad poohbah asked that question.
52 posted on 06/19/2002 11:36:11 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: PJ-Comix
Let me know if your heart throb asks the questions. I would never know since I haven't watched ABC news in about a decade.
53 posted on 06/19/2002 11:37:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: monkeywrench
He didn't illustrate that any one of these people "diviated" from the McVeigh-did-it story.
54 posted on 06/19/2002 11:47:12 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Tomorrows_Dream
Your post #26---Bravo, bravo.
55 posted on 06/19/2002 11:53:43 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: Grampa Dave
Let me know if your heart throb asks the questions. I would never know since I haven't watched ABC news in about a decade.

Bev doesn't get much face time on the tube. Some radio stations carry brief excerpts of her reports. Most of her reporting is pretty much confined to the ABC News website which few people ever read. The MOST notoriety Ms Lumpkin has ever achieved was when I posted her stories in my "Lumpkin Alerts" over here on the FR. Otherwise she operates in obscurity. If she actually asks the questions, I'll post her report here on the FR.

56 posted on 06/19/2002 12:00:51 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: job
Yes, the axle part got me to.

However, this is absolutely the first place I have ever heard any confirmation about the unexploded devices still in the building. I recalled it was Jennings talking about it, not Keating, but I remember it well, and I remember the disclaimer later that these were just innocuous training devices that the ATF in the building often used.

I also have a high-school freind who owned a moving company. The day after, he was telling me that something major was going on at 7:30 am, because ttraffic was snarled and there were police (his description) everywhere. He also often rented ryder trucks when his van was down, although at the time I never asked him (no one would know at that time). By the second day, he disappeared, and has never been heard from again (which could be coincidence, considering). But the stranges thing was that mutual freinds now deny knowing him or even me.

Things have just never added up for me on this. Cospiracy, comedy of errors, ineptitude and CYA coverup, I don't know.

57 posted on 06/19/2002 12:01:32 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: Tomorrows_Dream
BUMP!

Mrs Kus
58 posted on 06/19/2002 1:25:20 PM PDT by cgk
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To: PJ-Comix
I thought that he had changed his story awhile back to say that there was no #2 guy; that the guy was a separate customer on a different day. Or am I thinking of someone else who saw the Ryder truck.
59 posted on 06/19/2002 1:43:01 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
Or am I thinking of someone else who saw the Ryder truck.

You're thinking of the government's spin on it when they couldn't "find" John Doe #2 (even though they had him on surveillance tapes).

60 posted on 06/19/2002 1:45:16 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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