Posted on 06/19/2002 5:20:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
Someday, Bob Woodward will reveal the name(s) or he won't. Deal with it.
Meanwhile, the story of OKC has not been put to bed as the jury that convicted Nichols saw enough evidence to suggest the involvement of others that weren't prosecuted.
No one in the mainstream media has cared to dig up who else that could be.
Although some muslims might call a "jihad" for saying that Mohommed was a child molester for marying a 6 year old and consumating the marriage when she turned 9.
We also need to publicly identify the dems' M.O. whenever they are in mid-lie:
Since many of them remain prominent in Washington and in politics, it is likely we will see these tactics again. They begin with outright denial. As events unfold, the overall denial is maintained while that which has become public is back-handedly acknowledged and its importance minimized. After the initial intensity dissipates, the allegations are recast, embellished and once again denied -- sometimes accompanied by a demand for an apology or claim of vindication.Then, many months down the road when the full truth is known, the discussion is changed to one of how ridiculous the whole business was and how outrageously expensive and political the investigation of the allegations are -- while only tacitly if at all admitting that which was alleged was substantively true.
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What we did hear were complaints from Clinton allies like Paul Begala, speaking on Crossfire, that spending $200,000 to uncover $20,000 worth of damage in the White House was an outrageous waste of the taxpayer's money.
Maybe so. But how much would it have cost if they had just told the truth in the first place?
Remember that Clinton's team was careful to call requested videos "films". There was no film used, they were videotapes.
Witnesses recall 2 men in truck rental office
Two eyewitnesses testified Tuesday they still believe a second man was with McVeigh when he rented the truck.
Thomas Kessinger, a mechanic at the Ryder Truck shop in Junction City, Kansas, admitted he described the wrong man in helping the FBI draw its sketch of the second man, identified in court as John Doe No. 2.
But when McVeigh's lawyer asked him if someone else had been with McVeigh, Kessinger said, "Yes, I thought there was."
"And you think that today?" asked McVeigh's attorney, Stephen Jones.
"Yes," Kessinger replied. Shop owner Eldon Elliott testified that he, too, saw a second man in his office. "There was another person in there, yes," Elliott said under defense questioning. However he said he could not describe the second man
Kessinger described the second subject as five 5'-10" inches tall, clean shaven, muscular, large arms, large chest, smooth complexion, dark hair, thick neck, wide chin. Kessinger said that "John Doe Two" was wearing a blue and white ball cap, blue jeans, black t-shirt, and white tennis shoes. Kessinger said the subject had a tattoo on his left upper arm (TR:10553:20-10554:1).
From CourtTV McVeigh Appeal Documents
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/case46.htm
10. Based on interviews and other evidence developed by the FBI, there is reason to believe McVeigh did not act alone in committing this offense:
a. The employee at Elliot's Body Shop in Junction City, Kansas, where the truck subsequently used as the bomb vehicle was rented, has advised that the vehicle was picked up by two persons;
b. Two witnesses at the scene of the Alfred P Murrah building on April 19, 1995, observed a person believed to be Timothy James McVeigh with another person departing the area of the Murrah Building shortly before the bombing. One of these witnesses observed the person they believed to be Timothy James McVeigh leave the area in a yellow or cream-colored Mercury;
Transcript from McVeigh's Preliminary Hearing
Q. This particular male witness has indicated that he saw the -- a yellow Mercury speeding away?
A. Yes.
Q. Did this particular witness indicate to agents of the FBI how many persons were in the speeding yellow Mercury?
A. Two.
Q. Did this witness also identify the person that we know as number two, un-sub two at the scene?
MR. GARLAND: Objection. Un-sub two is not before the Court.
THE COURT: The question was, did he identify un-sub two?
MR. COYLE: Yes. The fact that everybody knows who that is. You understand who that is, do you not?
THE COURT: The question, he objected to it. The Court sustains that objection.
In interviews conducted on April 19 and 20, the staff at Elliot’s Body Shop told the FBI they saw Tim McVeigh accompanied by another man. They were not vague about it. They were categorical.
The debriefing began within seven hours of the bombing. Their memories were fresh, so fresh that they were able to provide the uncanny look-alike sketch of McVeigh, which led to his arrest. Eldon Elliot even tried to capitalize on this, selling T-shirts with the logo "We Remember Our Customers."[2] Contrary to press accounts, none of these witnesses has retracted the core claim that there were two men.
Eldon Elliot, owner.
In pre-trial hearings on February 18, 1997, he continued to insist that "another person was standing there. I glanced at him." Elliot went out front with the two men to inspect the truck. He said the accomplice had a "white hat with blue lightning bolts on the side." He had told the FBI earlier that the man was "a white male, 5’7" to 5’8"."[3]
Tom Kessinger, mechanic.
He was taking a break in the rental office at about 4:15 PM, eating popcorn, when the two men came in. He watched them for about 10 minutes. John Doe Two was wearing "a black T-shirt, jeans, and a ball-cap colored royal blue in the front and white in the back." He was "about 5’ 10", clean-shaven, muscular, large arms, large chest, smooth complexion, thick neck, wide cin…tattoo on his upper left arm, 26 to 27, and white."[4]
A year and a half later, after seven debriefings by the FBI, he said that he had confused the face of John Doe Two with Private Bunting.[5] But this does not pass the smell test. When he was visited by Glenn Wilburn in the summer of 1996 he scoffed at the Bunting canard. "He was laughing about it and said ‘I don’t know where they came up with that one.’ "[6]
In any case, he refused to go through with the deception when questioned under oath. During the pre-trial hearings in Denver in February 1997 he repeated his claim that McVeigh was accomplished by another man. The Justice Department decided to drop him as a trial witness.
Vicki Beemer, bookkeeper.
She had a friendly chat with McVeigh as he was filling out the rental papers, noting that she had been married longer than he had been alive. She testified at McVeigh’s trial that she was "very certain" there was a second man. She told the FBI on April 19 that she "recalled a second person being along but has no recollection of that individual."[7] But in her appearance before the federal grand jury in Oklahoma she described him as a "stocky-built gentleman…darker complected and much larger" than McVeigh.[8]
Very good point. My bet is Padilla has no tatoo. My money for John Doe 2 is still on Al-Hussaini(who reportedly does have a tatoo).
Suppose this guy was in with McVeigh. What would be McVeigh's motivation to keep quiet?... and whatever you guys do - don't talk to Michael Fortier about this ...
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