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High School Junior Asked To Leave School After She Refuses To Sing Jesus Christ Superstar Songs
WABC, Ch 7 NY ^
| June 19, 2002
| AP
Posted on 06/20/2002 11:08:28 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: the_doc
Among other horrors, JCSS glorifies Judas Iscariot.
Yes, yes. Judas double-deals behind Jesus' back, accepts blood money to betray him, rats him out, and then hangs himself from a tree. What a glorious, glorious depiction.
To: lexcorp
'tain't nothin' funnier than people argueing over who the better, REAL Christian is. From your position, Lex, I expect it would be funny. Kind of like scatalogical humor is funny to little kids. To me it's just sad.
That said, I don't claim to be better. Just equally real.
Shalom.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:27:15 PM PDT
by
ArGee
To: the_doc
Among other horrors, JCSS glorifies Judas Iscariot. I think it makes him out to be a whiny nutcase who is P.O.d at Christ because Christ is getting more attention than Judas is, especially from the ladies. Later he allows himself to be used by the Priests. When he finally wakes up he is overcome by his sorrow and runs off to commit suicide. I don't see anything glorius in that.
But, each can interpret it his own way.
Shalom.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:29:10 PM PDT
by
ArGee
To: ZULU
She's right, the whole d@mn musical is blasphemous. Last time I checked, Orthodox Presbyterians think the whole Catholic religion is blasphemous. The young lady doesn't belong in a Catholic school, even one utterly faithful to Catholicism. Period.
If her parents object to sending her to public school, they should move somewhere where there is a "Christian" school they find acceptable.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:29:56 PM PDT
by
Campion
To: begtodiffer
If they sang it 2000 years later and she was one of the most profound philosophers of her day and the songs sought to bring her eternal message of peace and love to millions, then...would it be so bad? IMO, Absolutely. Horrifically tasteless.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:30:05 PM PDT
by
Sloth
To: Hemingway's Ghost
it's when Mary Magdalene realizes JC is MORE than just another Joe---that's why she doesn't know how to love him. He's unlike any other man she's ever known. ...it's when Mary Magdalene realizes JC is MORE than just another Joe---that's why she doesn't know how to love him. He's unlike any other man she's ever known. I was waiting for the eventual appearance of this one.
When she says she doesn't know how to love him, it's a metaphor for loving God. She was used to loving men, "in very many ways." This time, it's different. It's a spiritual love that she doesn't understand and is just awakening to.
-PJ
To: GraniteStateConservative
You seem like a guy that would be great company at a dinner party. Thank you for the compliment. According to my wife, if you've already heard all of my jokes, I'm not that great.
Have you heard the story of Rinderceller?
Shalom.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:30:39 PM PDT
by
ArGee
To: the_doc
Among other horrors, JCSS glorifies Judas Iscariot. Hmm...This must be some strange new usage of the word "glorifies" with which I was previously unacquainted...
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:30:59 PM PDT
by
Lyford
To: ArGee
The actual original album ends with Jesus saying "Father, into Your hands I commend My Spirit." followed by silence, and then the postlude called "John 3:16"
In the stage production I saw in Boston (featuring Ted Neely and Carl Anderson), Jesus, on the cross, said the line and then was lifted up towards heaven (the rafters) as the curtain dropped. I am not an emotional guy, and I had to fight back tears. My girlfriend (now my wife) wept openly, and so did several other people in the audience.
To: Sloth; lexcorp
IMO, Absolutely. Horrifically tasteless. Tasteless it may be. That's not the same as demeaning or blasphemous.
And I notice that nobody has responed once to my personal testimony as to the positive power of the musical.
I guess reaching people in Jesus' Name isn't nearly as important as making sure you do it in a denominationally blessed fashion.
Lex, I'm sorry you have to be watching this. Just remember, this is why He died.
Shalom.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:33:32 PM PDT
by
ArGee
To: OBAFGKM
It displays Judas as fulfilling a prophecy. In JCSS, Judas doesn't catch on until after the fact when he sings "I've been used!" The very first line of the show is Judas saying "My mind is clearer now." This means that Judas thinks he knows better -- that he has all the answers -- that he sees things that Jesus doesn't see.
Judas' last lines are "My mind is darker now. I've been used and you knew all along." This is when he realizes that he was wrong, but was fulfilling his destiny.
-PJ
To: southern rock
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church is VERY VERY conservative. Calvinist, staunchly Reformed....I don't know how they handled going to a Catholic school.
To: Politically Correct
Uh, no. She went to the BMW showroom and bought one, and has been riding around in it for three years complaining that it isn't a Mercedes.
It is sad how so many people on FreeRepublic seem to have lost the ability to read and/or reason. The principal does his job, and he gets accused on FR of being a pedophile. Some Freepers define for everyone else who is and who is not a Christian. The school is accused here of teaching "Jesus Christ Superstar" as doctrine when it is just a few songs from it at the spring concert.
Listen to that howling mob
Of blockheads in the street
A trick or two with lepers
And the whole town's on its feet
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:35:43 PM PDT
by
drjimmy
To: Hemingway's Ghost
In the stage production I saw in Boston (featuring Ted Neely and Carl Anderson), Jesus, on the cross, said the line and then was lifted up towards heaven (the rafters) as the curtain dropped. I am not an emotional guy, and I had to fight back tears. My girlfriend (now my wife) wept openly, and so did several other people in the audience.That would have been cool.
You know what always makes me cry? It's the scene in Godspell where everyone is taking off their makeup during the last supper. I'm tearing up over that one even now.
It must have been so hard to say goodbye to Him. I really don't know how the disciples were able to stand the heartbreak.
Shalom.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:35:51 PM PDT
by
ArGee
To: southern rock; the_doc; OrthodoxPresbyterian
I agree..She is a young lady with the spiritual strength to refuse to be swept away with the crowd. Speaks well of home schooling and the Orthodox Presbyterian church.
The school has the right to sing what they want.So it looks like the young lady has to look for another school for next year.
I am reminded of the story of the church that refused to allow the child of a stripper to attend ..they were called cruel, and judgemental
I guess "cruel" and "narrow minded" only applies to protestants.
To: ArGee
I'm talking about the Broadway production.(Yes, back in the '70's) I recall seeing Ted Neely emerging from a chrysalis in dazzling white garments.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:36:38 PM PDT
by
stanz
To: bootless
Does it end with the Resurrection? It ends with an instrumental interlude called "John 19:41" which, I believe, is about his burial.
-PJ
To: southern rock
Let then know what you think.
E-mail: info@kellenberg.org
To: southern rock
Of course they have the right, but does that make it right? No.
To: Political Junkie Too
Judas' last lines are "My mind is darker now. You're good. I'd never noticed that before.
Except, IIRC, it's "My mind is in darkness now."
My sister and I used to sing the musical to each other during the long summer months. I still know over 80% of it by heart.
Shalom.
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posted on
06/20/2002 12:37:32 PM PDT
by
ArGee
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