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Home-school battle heats up in California
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Monday, September 2, 2002 | By Art Moore

Posted on 09/02/2002 4:36:06 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: dasboot
**'We want to make sure children in our state live in homes with standards at least as high as those for government-subsidized public housing. There needs to be accountability to ensure running hot-and-cold water, adequate soap and toilet paper, safe food storage and preparation equipment, and compliance with California's Gun-Free School Zone policy, which are essential for children to grow up healthy.' **

Oh yeah I forgot...homeschoolers live in caves. LOL

41 posted on 09/02/2002 9:16:43 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: don-o
Bless you.
42 posted on 09/02/2002 9:17:18 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Congressman Billybob
Home-school advocates argue that California law makes no mention of home-schooling. They contend it has been accomplished legally under the education code's provision for private schools, which requires that the instructor be "capable of teaching" – not credentialed – and the annual filing of an affidavit to the California Department of Education, or CDE, between Oct. 1 and 15.

The CDE maintains that the affidavit does not authorize a school to operate, but merely verifies, for record-keeping and other purposes, that it exists.

But the CDE also bases its argument on the fact that home-schooling is not mentioned in the law.

My understanding of the laws in the US is that a law is either proscriptive (prohibits a thing) or prescriptive (requires a thing).

If home-schools have not been mentioned in the law specifically or by description then they can not have been legislated against (or restricted, limited or regulated) and therefor are by default legal (and unregulated).

If the only mention of private schools in the law is the registration of said schools by affidavit then the only requirement for operating a private school is that affidavit.

43 posted on 09/02/2002 9:19:13 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: dasboot
Your daughter is graduating from engineering school? What engineering field is she studying? What school? Reason I'm asking is that my 12 year old daughter is interested in chemical engineering. Thanks.
44 posted on 09/02/2002 9:19:22 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Kermit
"Home-schoolers have no accountability, contended San Bernardino County's Garnett. "Who do they report to?" he asked."
That is what Freedom is Mr Garnett. You don't have to REPORT to anyone.

THAT needs repeating!

45 posted on 09/02/2002 9:22:59 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Congressman Billybob
What immediately struck me about this article is that the Superintendent mentioned here obviously feels "under attack" and is running to the legislature for cover. Wonder if she's even capable of feeling how under attack homeschoolers have been feeling.
46 posted on 09/02/2002 9:23:07 AM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Pontiac
"We live and die by what the law says, and the absence of mention, to me, is not an authorization," Gray told WND.

I should have included this in my #43 Post.

Absence of mention in the law means it does not require your authorization or your blessing. It means it is beyond your control.

Go back to law school you twit.

47 posted on 09/02/2002 9:29:21 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Homeschoolers are lower than peasants to this individual. We have no right to justice, truth and feelings.
48 posted on 09/02/2002 9:30:00 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
All kinds of crazy and evil s*** seems to break out in California.

I am sure it is a wonderful place (only one brief visit) but look for this same power grab to repeat elsewhere. Heck, if they intimidate even a few to quit or never stop, that is just more money in their pockets.

Uh, for the chi'ren.

FMCDH.

49 posted on 09/02/2002 9:30:42 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o
Heck, if they intimidate even a few to quit or never stop,

...never start

Sheesh!

50 posted on 09/02/2002 9:37:00 AM PDT by don-o
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To: cyn
Here is a poll.

Poll Here

Should parents who home-school their children be required to have a teaching certificate?

Yes. We must protect all school children, even those taught at home. (165) 12%

No. Home school kids consistently score higher. That's certification enough. (1184) 88%

As you can see, this one has pretty much been decided, Except, of course, in the liberal media that keepss giving institutionalized education the forum to make a non-issue an issue.

If this were put to a statewide vote, the result would be the same.

51 posted on 09/02/2002 9:37:25 AM PDT by MissBaby
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To: gitmo
"Eastin states these restrictions are needed in part to 'ensure some level of quality and innovation.'"

Let’s see what kind quality education California’s innovation has brought to California’s children.

the Sacramento Bee reported Friday that just three of 10 California students meet the state's language arts standards, according to test scores released Thursday. Four of 10 second-graders meet the state's new math standards, with proficiency levels dropping in most subsequent grades. At the high school level, 21 percent of 10th-graders were proficient in geometry, and 24 percent proficient in world history.

52 posted on 09/02/2002 9:39:07 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: don-o; homeschool mama
Homeschooling is the one thing guaranteed to get me out on the street to do whatever it takes. How many of us live in fear of being denied this right?

This is a simple takeover attempt using whatever tiny rule they can find to justify it. I have to stop reading Solzhenitzyn.

53 posted on 09/02/2002 9:47:05 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Pontiac
I believe that was one of the arguments a lawyer used in a CA homeschooling truancy case that was successfully blocked from going to trial. Just because there is no mention of homeschooling doesn't mean it's illegal. There is no law in my town regarding hop scotch. Is it illegal because there is no law? They think that if there isn't a law somewhere concerning homeschool, it's illegal. However, parents are filing those R4 forms which don't require parents to be credentialed and don't mention how many students a private school must have. I would think the parents are acting legally. I wonder, is there a state law mandating that parents be credentialed and should have at least six children to file an R-4 affidavit in order to homeschool or is this just a figure the CDE feels is sufficient to run a private school? Where is the law on this Delaine? Gray? Anybody?
54 posted on 09/02/2002 9:50:10 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Where is the law on this Delaine? Gray? Anybody?

There is no law they can site prohibiting or otherwise regulating home-schooling. That is why the CDE is asking the legislature for new law.

In the words I imagine were heard in a resent CDE meeting. “Gentlemen we must protect our cushy jobs.”

This is why California home-schooling parents must stop any proposed new legislation regarding home-schooling, no mater how benign it may seem. Even if the legislation backs up home-schooling. Any legislation would be the proverbial camel’s nose in the tent. Soon you would have the CDE and the NEA in your home-schooler’s tent.

55 posted on 09/02/2002 10:05:17 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac
They probably want the legislature to pass a law, because they probably know that if a parent's right to educate their child went all the way up to the Supreme Court, they'd lose. It's easier to try to get the legislature to pass a law, but is the legislature interested? California homeschoolers better ask their present legislators and those who are running what side they are on.
56 posted on 09/02/2002 10:10:21 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: MarMema
Homeschooling is the one thing guaranteed to get me out on the street to do whatever it takes.

Orthodox homeschooler dittos.

Our 12 year, Ben, old tested at 97th percentile on the state mandated achievement test. We have done it with, basically three hours of instruction and study per day; and not even every day. We take lots of time off for other things.

Our nine year old, Vanya whom we adopted from Russia five years ago this month, was born with cleft palate. We have taken him to a speech therapist due to to some concerns over his not being able to prounce certain sounds.

Well, we find out that cleft palate can also cause some cognitive problems. The cleft actually can extend into the brain and disrupt normal left and right brain communication. The messages can get through, but they have to be rerouted.

We are told that this is very treatable and also that Vanya is very fortunate to have not had to endure publik skool, where he would have been a huge discipline problem.

When he used to go ballistic, we wrote it off as emotional immaturity, and responded with love and firm discipline. So he always knew that no matter how bad he felt, he was safe and secure here.

Now we know that there is a real problem with hoow his brain works, and are in a position to get him the exact help that his situation requires.

Excuse the ramble. But, this is how it ought to be for all children.

Will I be in the streets to protect my children?

You damn right I will be, if it comes to that!

57 posted on 09/02/2002 10:14:01 AM PDT by don-o
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To: Pontiac
This is why California home-schooling parents must stop any proposed new legislation regarding home-schooling, no mater how benign it may seem.

I have been told that Texas passed a law that the homeschoolers love.

Can't look it up now, but I'll be back on the thread later.

58 posted on 09/02/2002 10:17:33 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o
I didn't know until today you had also adopted from Russia. We have three adopted from Russia and Georgia(1), plus our birthson. It is a real mix.

Our oldest daughter still struggles with language and grammar, our birthson is gifted and tends to not make use of what he has, our other son is delayed and very difficult behaviorally, also reads at a second grade level though he is ten. Our youngest daughter is doing ok and probably will continue to do so.

We did the fits and screaming battles for years with our oldest daughter but she seems to have settled in finally. At age 13.

I think it is all about attachment, and thus homeschooling is the absolute best place for our adopted children. Certainly there are tons of studies showing early neglect as linked to brain development, but our group is a real challenge to that kind of science. The son who barely reads is a whiz in math and about to pass up his older sibs - probably because he loves doing it and has tremendous persistence.

I didn't know about the cleft palate thing, but I definitely second your statement. With kids needing special attention in one area or doing such mixed work at different levels, homeschooling is the only way to go.

I'm getting revved up to begin here now. We use A Beka curriculum and have a special ed teacher who evals us.
Even with my lack of a degree in teaching, I can certainly work more effectively with my children than anyone else.

PS We had terrible experiences with the speech path thing through the public school system. They put so many hoops in our way we gave up after the first year. Let me know how it goes for you. Sergey still has trouble with his R pronuniciation but he is advancing, year by year, in speech. He was airlifted at just under 2 years weighing only 12 pounds from Georgia. We have no clue what this means for his future, but impulse control has been such a serious issue for us that he is now on Serzone, and I do thank God for it.

Give that Vanya a hug from me. What part of Russia did he come from, and which set of rules did you adopt under? We adopted in 95,96 and 97, from Archangelsk, Rostov-on-Don and Tbilisi. Each a different set of adoption rules. LOL.

59 posted on 09/02/2002 10:32:19 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: don-o
I believe it is that parents have the right to educate their children any way they choose. I believe it was in response to a federal judge who claimed that parents have no rights when their child walks into a public school or something to that effect.
60 posted on 09/02/2002 10:51:54 AM PDT by ladylib
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