Posted on 03/27/2002 10:38:26 AM PST by malakhi
This is the first I visited this thread since last night.
If your comments were pulled, I had nothing to do with it.
I have not hit the abuse button since an OP called a RC priest and holocaust survivor a [nazi] storm trooper. Before that single incident, its been several months since I've hit the abuse button.
Go ask the moderator.
What makes you think this verse cannot be more appropriately applied to the false teachers and damnable new false gospel of the reformation?
Posting a proof text does not prove that text was intended the way YOU think it was.
All of Christianity was united in foundational belief till 500 years ago, and there were only two "denominations," if you will, Catholic and Orthodox, and before 1054, there was only Catholicism.
Following on the heels of the reformation was a splintering asunder of Christinity into literally thousands of warring camps, with 99% of protestantism today embracing the contraceptive mentality and teaching their followers that contraception is OK, in absolute and unequivocal violation of all of Christianity's constant teaching on the subject.
Yes indeed, there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction,
and they exist inside my Church as sinners dissenting from my Church, like the homosexual pedophiles and bishops who hide them, and outside my Church, wherever Christians teach doctrines and morals against that of the Church Christ Himself founded and to which He alone granted authority to teach and to lose and to bind.
I saw this quote the other day and I don't know who said it but it is a good one.
BTW I do think my post last night was a little too personal and I should have better said it as: "Some of your posts aimed at non-catholics show the same characteristics of prejudice, fiction, sensationalism and gross mischaractizations as those of Jack Chick does towards RC's."
This is not what happened. Terry did not mean Nazi, didn't know the priest was a holocaust victim and therefore the insult was NOT intentional. Also she apologized for the offense to him even though she did not do it intentionally and he has accepted. IOW he over-reacted, you over-reacted and many of the other RC's did as well, which further inflamed the situation. These things can be taken care of much better through Freep-mail, one on one IMO. Good day.
By the way, no one has objectively proved any facts I have posted to be "fiction," although my "opinions" on interpretation of scripture and events has been debated hotly. However, when I am wrong I admit it, publically, as well as by Freepmail.
I posted a thread which thoroughly refuted the lies of one particularly obnoxious OPie, on this thread, after he invaded a prayerful Catholic thread intended to formulate effective measures to fight the problems in our church and posted many liesand attacked our faith.
But you folks never admit when you have lost a debate, never admit when our side is obviously correct, and never retract your lies and deceptions even after they have been thoroughly and unequivocally debunked.
You call it "bashing" I call it discussion.Happiness is not measured by the truth of our doctrine..if it were Peter and Paul would have lived to a ripe old age..as would most of the churches martyrs.On the other hand as the Jews danced around the image of the cow they were having a great time.
Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Your criticism of those of us who opposed her choice of language is not helpful or constructive even if it is your heartfelt view. Proposing solutions for how to handle such disagreements is important, and you were moving in that direction with your mention of the use of freepmail. But there needs to be more to a method of resolution than that. The original offending post would need to be deleted and those involved take it to freepmail for resolution. Et cetera et cetera. If anyone is interested in working on a voluntary code for such disagreements, it would be a valuable tool for all of us who passionately love our faiths to the consternation of others.
So you hit abuse on that...you are pathetic Brian..run to mama every time ..you are the biggest button pusher on FR..and you can not even tell the entire truth..the REASON you have NOT pushed a button in months is you have not posted all through out lent.Be truthful!!!!.
The idea that we can have an open forum is useles with people like you..if you do not have an answer you just censor the "problem" away
Thank you for the slander father.Close to being called a liar is almost as good as whinning...ask Brian
Translation "I posted a hit thread aimed at OP". You are out baiting OP over and over..that is the second such thread..you want him banned huh?I should have know it was yours it is censored to death...your work is all over the place isn't it?
The understanding of a particular sacramental must begin with understanding the Church's teaching on sacramentals in general, and that teaching can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Then to look at the brown scapular in particular, learn of the Carmelite Order and St. Simon Stock. (There is also the parallel development in the Eastern Orthodox Churches with the ikon of the Theotokos holding her mantle of protection.) The advances of the Saracens in particular gave Christians everywhere the fear that Islam would bring an end to Christianity and the independence of Christian nations. The brown scapular held with it the promise that the blessed Mother of Jesus would not forget her Carmelite children who were genuinely her children because they were one with her Son through Holy Baptism and the sacramental life. To learn more about St. Simon Stock and the Brown Scapular click here.
Hebrews 12:14 -- Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. (RSV)
365 posted on 4/1/02 6:55 PM Eastern by father_elijah
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RnMomof7, your use of "storm troopers" as a description of Catholic freepers unfortunately reveals the depths of Catholic bashing to which you are willing to sink.
Your use of a Nazi term with reference to Catholic freepers is unacceptable and reprehensible.
367 posted on 4/1/02 8:16 PM Eastern by father_elijah
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Had to call in the storm troopers huh?
That is really a low blow.
368 posted on 4/1/02 8:27 PM Eastern by OxfordMovement
To: RnMomof7
He never wanted an apology..if he did he would have posted that to me alone..or freep mailed me..he wanted to use it to his advantage, he wanted to use it to silence me If he wants an apology all he needs to do is freep mail me.But I do not think that is his agenda
Lady, I think you are doing a good job all on your own to get yourself silenced. This is one of the very worst things you could have said. Your accusations are obscene.
403 posted on 4/1/02 10:33 PM Eastern by OxfordMovement
GIve us a break. This has all been about Protestants and Catholics. But the real issue is why RnMomof7 can't just say, "I'm sorry, father_elijah, I had no idea about your background. I meant it in jest, and I'm so sorry."
And ya know what I would have if he had emailed me or posted to me..and not decided to try to get me in trouble here with it..his agenda is showing..as is yours.
Any time he would like an apology all he needs to do is email me..but that is not what he wanted then or now
416 posted on 4/1/02 10:49 PM Eastern by RnMomof7
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Fine with me, but then why don't you leave it, Brian is the one that brought it up in order to bash Terry all over again, even after her apology. The issue is dead to me, but you say you have forgiven her, but you clearly still harbor ill will toward her and don't believe her. I choose to believe her.
Judging from my freepmail everyone who has locked horns with her before whether RC, Methodist, Mormon or what have you -- all of them believe she meant Nazi.
This is kind of amusing to me because of on the NES thread whenever the issue of whether RC's worship or venerate Mary comes up, they say "you can't judge what's in a man's hearts", even though I am in the same building and can see and hear what they are doing. But you guys judge Terry and you don't really know her and haven't met her, you are not judging righteously IMO. Just let it go.
Your criticism of those of us who opposed her choice of language is not helpful or constructive even if it is your heartfelt view. Proposing solutions for how to handle such disagreements is important, and you were moving in that direction with your mention of the use of freepmail. But there needs to be more to a method of resolution than that. The original offending post would need to be deleted and those involved take it to freepmail for resolution. Et cetera et cetera. If anyone is interested in working on a voluntary code for such disagreements, it would be a valuable tool for all of us who passionately love our faiths to the consternation of others.
While I respect your opinion and don't doubt any personal pain it caused you, I still think we all need to take ourselves a little less seriously and come off our high horses. Brian is personally responsible for getting many posters banned, which is a shame. But my guess is that in private he is proud of this. Freedom is important, remember the F in Free Republic, we show be quick to listen (read) and slow to speak (post) and only hit the abuse button as a last resort, not at first glance IMO. I don't think we can say anything we want, but did you start by Freepmailing Terry in private? I'm sure you are aware of this Scripture, but I post it for anyone else who might read this:
"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector."
My suggestion is that on this religious forum somehow we incorporate this into our interpersonal alleged offensive post policy. The first step would be freepmail explaining why you find it offensive, the last step, and only as a last resort would be banning. Just my ideas for what it's worth.
Regards
I got a freep-mail today from proud2brc today that proves he is proud and gleeful that he baited NC posters into saying negative things about him and then hit abuse. He's a great example, and he's telling us how to behave. I will choose to go with Christ's words that I posted (above).
Take a close look at this post of yours. You contradicted yourself before you could even get the words off your fingertips.
In the eyes of God you do not have any right whatsoever to scandalize and libel and disseminate demonic attacks on Christ's Church. You personally have offended every single religious individual on Free Republic (except possibly that small band of opies you hang around with) be they jew or Catholic or Orthodox or any protestant that does not agree with your OP position.
Show me in scripture where it says to give free reign and free expression to every vile lie and deception that fools can utter.
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