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Catholics drawn to lay group in Wellesley
The Boston Globe ^ | 5/1/2002 | Michael Paulson, Globe Staff

Posted on 05/01/2002 1:47:24 PM PDT by ThomasMore

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ELLESLEY - In the basement of a parish school at Saint John the Evangelist Church, a quiet revolution is brewing.

A group that started three months ago as a listening session for parishioners upset about clergy sexual abuse has grown explosively in the past few weeks, drawing about 4,200 supporters from 36 states and 19 countries.


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KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; laity; sexscandal
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Has anyone seen or heard anything about this group? My wife is going to watchdog it but hasn't any info yet.
1 posted on 05/01/2002 1:47:24 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
From the comments in the article, in sounds quite a bit like CFFC, We Are Church, etc. which want to take the control of the Church out of the hands of the Magisterium and into their own.
2 posted on 05/01/2002 1:59:48 PM PDT by Rightwing Canuck
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To: Rightwing Canuck
in sounds quite a bit like CFFC, We Are Church, etc.

That's what I'm afraid of. And it is really picking up steam as the bishops procrastinate. I know several GOOD Catholics who are not savy about the liberal agenda groups you metioned, who are being attracted to this new group.

3 posted on 05/01/2002 2:04:14 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
This from the Globe article:

The group is determined, at this stage, to avoid taking positions on controversial questions such as the ordination of women. The group is consciously trying to distance itself from a raft of liberal reform groups that have sprung up over the years and have little influence in the church, and from the handful of protest groups that have been formed in the last few months to stage demonstrations against Law.(emphasis added)

One hopes that this group remains focused on cleaning up the Archdiocese of Boston and doesn't get hijacked by Frances Kissling types in sheeps clothing. Until they make their positions known on ordination of women, celibacy of the priesthood, rejection of homosexuals for the priesthood, etc., I would proceed with caution. If they are orthodox in their beliefs then more power to them.

4 posted on 05/01/2002 2:28:04 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: *Catholic_list; history_matters; Askel5; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; sneakers; Judith Anne...
Ping!
5 posted on 05/02/2002 5:40:28 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
in sounds quite a bit like CFFC, We Are Church, etc.

That's what I'm afraid of.

Me too. I grew up in the town next door. Wellesley used to be a town of blue blood Republicans. But they've been invaded by the Newton-style yuppies. The town is becoming more and more PC. Kind of like a wealthier Brookline.

6 posted on 05/02/2002 5:58:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: ThomasMore
From the article:

The group's weekly gatherings have taken on the tone of revival meetings, with a charismatic emcee, Mary Scanlon Calcaterra, who is prone to shouting things like ''Praise the Lord'' after someone gets up to give personal testimony.

This week, the group heard from a nun, Sister John Julie of the Sisters of Notre Dame, who told the group she was tired of seeing photos only of men in the Boston Catholic Directory.

I can tell already I don't like it. What was the old Chinese curse? "May you live in interesting times."

7 posted on 05/02/2002 6:01:54 AM PDT by maryz
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To: ThomasMore
Yes, I've heard of it and I think they are a group to be "watchdogged." At first glance, they seemed OK to me, but then I started reading some things that the leader said (he is a cardiologist at a major Boston hospital, so he carries a lot of weight to some) - and I realized that this group is just another one out to change the church - not go back to our roots.

Check them out here: Voice of the Faithful

Look at their motto: "Keep the Faith, Change the Church" - they are trying to form groups nationwide. I was really annoyed at Cardinal Law last week when he gave the directive to priests to not support the newly forming lay groups - I think this is the group he was most concerned with, and when I realized this, I supported the Cardinal. Say what you will about Cardinal Law (and I probably agree) but he has been helpful over the years in not supporting (on church property) any group that does not adhere to church teaching.

Catholics are mad and hurting at the moment and I think a lot of us want to do something to help but joining in groups like this one will only damage the church, IMO.

8 posted on 05/02/2002 6:03:13 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: ThomasMore
Perhaps it's a sign of the times, but my wife and I have become increasingly wary of establishing an affiliation with a purported grass roots Catholic special interest group, particularly as far as financial support is concerned.

Our charitable donations have increased, but the pool of charities we support has diminished significantly.

Thank you for the Ping.

EODGUY

9 posted on 05/02/2002 6:10:08 AM PDT by EODGUY
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VOTF is a group of folks who underneath it all are devoted to the AmChurch agenda. There are a few conservatives who are involved, but after talking with a few of the organizers by the telephone -- all of my red flags were raised.
10 posted on 05/02/2002 6:28:33 AM PDT by history_matters
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Right. I think they are another AmChurch group. Nothing I've read about them leads me to believe otherwise. Look at their mission statement:

Our Goals
1. Support those who have been abused
2. Support priests of integrity
3. Shape structural change within Church

#3 is the one that sends up red flags with me. What exactly does "Shape structual change within Church" mean?

I'd be happy to stage a Catholic Freep with catachism in hand if it gets to that point. I live about an hour south of Wellesley.

11 posted on 05/02/2002 6:42:05 AM PDT by american colleen
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When I read that #2 I come unglued. "Priests of integrity" I believe is code. "Integrity" is the name of the Episcopalian counterpart to "Dignity" the pro-sodomy group....

tin foil..... I know.....

12 posted on 05/02/2002 6:45:55 AM PDT by history_matters
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I've had my shiny hat on as well. You are right, of course. I overlooked the really sneaky #2 in favor of the easy to spot #3. Exactly who defines a "priest of integrity?" I think all priests have integrity as long as they adhere to the teachings of Rome which would include the vow of celibacy that they took... I'm sure VOTF has their own definition though.

Watch, listen and learn!

13 posted on 05/02/2002 6:53:55 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen; maryz;Aquinasfan;EODguy;history_matters;smedleyButler
you're hereby invited to join the Legion of Mary instead.
Men and Women - You can be an auxiliary - Become a Prayer Warrior - no meetings or dues.

contact me if you're interested.

14 posted on 05/02/2002 7:08:46 AM PDT by MudPuppy
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To: american colleen; maryz;Aquinasfan;EODguy;history_matters;smedleyButler
you're hereby invited to join the Legion of Mary instead.
Men and Women - You can be an auxiliary - Become a Prayer Warrior - no meetings or dues.

contact me if you're interested.

15 posted on 05/02/2002 7:15:15 AM PDT by MudPuppy
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To: american colleen
I think all priests have integrity as long as they adhere to the teachings of Rome which would include the vow of celibacy that they took.

If an orthodox celibate priest knew about pederasts and said nothing about them, he was not, and is not, a man of integrity.

Groups like this are rising up because American Catholics are sick and tired of forking over hard earned money and seeing it used as hush money, or seeing it wasted on things like that monstrosity of a Cathedral in Los Angeles.

Make no mistake about it: the Bishops Conference, and, by extension, the Vatican, are going to have to figure out a way to give lay Catholics more of a voice or at least the illusion that they have a voice (which is what I think will be the preferred course).

The man in the pew is tired of being played for a chump.

16 posted on 05/02/2002 7:20:29 AM PDT by sinkspur
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I agree with all that you say. But we have to be very careful in evaluating new groups that are inevitably going to spring up in response to the current climate in the Catholic Church.
17 posted on 05/02/2002 7:33:56 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: sinkspur
The trouble is, if the interviews I've heard on local broadcasts are any indication, many of the men in the pews don't seem worth listening to. "Who cares who the priests sleep with?" I heard one woman say. (That one still leaves me dumbstruck.)
18 posted on 05/02/2002 7:36:36 AM PDT by eastsider
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But we have to be very careful in evaluating new groups that are inevitably going to spring up in response to the current climate in the Catholic Church.

In the absence of some ACTION by the American bishops or the Vatican, Americans, being people of action, rush to fill the void.

This is better than another reaction of Americans when they're filled with disgust, which is to just silently walk away.

19 posted on 05/02/2002 7:45:10 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ThomasMore
" Keep the faith, change the church. " Does this appear to be an oxymoron to anyone else?
20 posted on 05/02/2002 7:53:48 AM PDT by St.Chuck
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