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Big Freeze For Britain
BBC ^ | 9-6-2001

Posted on 09/06/2001 8:44:08 AM PDT by blam

Thursday, 6 September, 2001, 08:34 GMT 09:34 UK

Britain could be in for a big freeze, with the climate ending up more like northern Canada, say scientists studying the world's oceans.
They have found evidence that the flow of cold water from the Arctic has decreased by 20% since 1950.

If the trend continues, the supply of warm water to northern Europe will decline, bringing a big chill.

The last time this happened, in the 11th to the 18th Century, northern Europe entered the Little Ice Age.

Such climate variations are thought to be caused by changes to a belt of water that moves heat and cold around the world, the global conveyor belt.

'Key' decade

The new research was presented at the British Association Science Festival in Glasgow.

In a research paper, Sarah Hughes of the FRS Marine Laboratory in Aberdeen, Scotland, said: "It seems that in the past the conveyor belt has stopped and started, sometimes as quickly as within one or two years.

"When it stops, northern Europe is cooled by about 5 C and we get a climate similar to that of northern Canada."

"The next decade will be a key one," she added.


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"...them times they are a changing." (Dylan)
1 posted on 09/06/2001 8:44:08 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"Britain could be in for a big freeze, with the climate ending up more like northern Canada, say scientists studying the world's oceans."

Will this be blamed on "global warming"?

Or, realizing the ludicrousness of their case, will the environuts execute yet another U-turn and revert to cries of a "new ice age"?

2 posted on 09/06/2001 8:52:17 AM PDT by okie01
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To: blam
Didn't a report come out just yesterday stating something to the effect that the northern regions are getting greener? These guys can't make up their minds.
3 posted on 09/06/2001 9:08:00 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: okie01
Will this be blamed on "global warming"?

You know it.  But attend to this:

Climate rides on ocean conveyor belt
Sunday, September 26, 1999
By Robinson Shaw

The existence of a global current that influences weather worldwide was first proposed by oceanographer Wallace Broeker in the early 1990s.
The existence of a global current that influences weather worldwide was first proposed by oceanographer Wallace Broeker in the early 1990s.
What do Hurricane Floyd, El Niño, La Niña, increased Pacific Northwest rainfall and normal precipitation for Africa's Sahel region have in common? They are all results of an underwater conveyor belt that changes global climate every 15 to 20 years, according to George Taylor, the state climatologist at Oregon State University and president of the American Association of State Climatologists.

Taylor has expanded a theory that was first introduced in the early 1990s by oceanographer Wallace Broeker that suggests the presence of a global-scale current, operating on a time scale of several decades, which affects worldwide weather patterns. Broeker was looking for possible reasons for the last ice age when he discovered the conveyer belt. Meteorologist William Gray of Colorado State University also related the theory to his work in predicting Atlantic hurricanes.

"Since the theories were developed, we've identified several things that correlate most closely to high levels of conveyor belt activity," said Taylor. "Certainly one of the most prominent is Atlantic Ocean hurricanes. Also very clear is more La Niña years; and wetter, cooler conditions in the Pacific Northwest. In fact, we have a graph showing the tight correlation between severe hurricane seasons like the one we're now having, and wet winter conditions in Portland, Oregon."

The conveyor belt works by transporting warm ocean water from the Pacific Ocean through the Indian Ocean and into the Atlantic Ocean. In the north Atlantic, the warm water, which turns very salty due to evaporation during the journey, runs into cold water coming down from the north. The warm water cools quickly, and sinks due to greater density. This creates a sub-surface countercurrent which carries the cool water back to the Indian and Pacific oceans.

And cold water in the Pacific Ocean tends to produce the type of La Niña years that, among other things, makes Oregon even colder and wetter than usual in the winter, according to Taylor. More El Niño events take place when the conveyor belt is inactive.

"When the conveyor belt is in high gear, the Atlantic tends to be warmer than usual and the Pacific is cooler," Taylor said. "Then the cycle seems to die down for about 20 years."

Unusually warm water fuels more frequent and violent hurricanes and the correlation is particularly strong for Atlantic Ocean hurricanes, Taylor said. The quietest four years of the last 50 years were from 1991 to 1994, but then 1995 had the largest number of hurricanes since storms were first named in the early 1950s. The latest four-year period is the busiest on record.

"Temperatures in the Atlantic are about two to four degrees warmer than normal right now, while the Pacific Ocean is relatively cold," said Dr. Timothy Liu, SeaWinds project scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "Those conditions have forced the jet stream much farther north and created a corridor for newly born hurricanes to move unimpeded toward the Atlantic coast." The jet stream is a high-speed wind current that generally blows westerly at 10 to 15 miles above the Earth's surface.


This graph shows weather patterns associated with the conveyor belt. (Note: PNW is Pacific Northwest.)

"This hurricane season started late, but it's already had about an average amount of hurricane activity and it's only halfway over," Taylor said. "It's going to be a very busy hurricane season, just as four of the last five years have been. And the Pacific Northwest is going to have its sixth year in a row of wetter than average weather. This is not a coincidence. If you want to understand what is happening, you have to look at some of the climate forces that are driving it."

East Coast and Gulf Coast cities are in for at least 15 more years of unusually frequent and destructive hurricanes. And residents of traditionally soggy Oregon and Washington can expect wet, snowy winters with some regularity, said Taylor.

Over the last 100 years, four distinct periods-two when the conveyor belt was very active and two when it was quite inactive-were identified by Gray and a colleague. Global temperatures seem to correspond to the active-inactive phases and since the tropical Pacific is the largest terrestrial heat source to the atmosphere; when the Pacific warms, so does the atmosphere. This should not be surprising, according to Taylor. During El Niño events, the Pacific temperatures overall warm significantly.

All signs point to a switch in the conveyor belt to active, forecasting a mostly wet climate for the next 20 years or so. If history repeats itself, expect frequent floods, no droughts and about 75 percent of all years in the cycle to be wetter than average and relatively cool, according to Taylor. This active phase began in 1995 and will last for 20 to 25 years before calming down again. It's a pattern separate from and not to be confused with possible global warming caused by the greenhouse effect, warns Taylor.

"Following the very dry 1975-94 period, which saw two significant statewide droughts in Oregon and 10 consecutive dry years, we are now completing the fifth consecutive above average year for precipitation in the Pacific Northwest," said Taylor.

It's still not certain what causes the conveyor belt to kick into gear. One likely candidate is fluctuations in the sun's magnetic field, which affects the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth and tends to change on a 20- to 27-year cycle, said Taylor. What is far more certain, he said, is the implication of the trend once it's clearly under way.

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4 posted on 09/06/2001 9:31:47 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: blam
"Global warming..."
"Northern regions getting greener..."
"Another Ice Age..."

Sounds to me like nobody really knows what's happening. Maybe we should just keep on keeping on.

5 posted on 09/06/2001 10:57:59 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: gcruse
"The conveyor belt works by transporting warm ocean water from the Pacific Ocean through the Indian Ocean and into the Atlantic Ocean. " I saw a program on one of the documentary programs, 1-2 months ago, that stated that the water moving in this belt took 2,000 years to make the complete journey.(?)
6 posted on 09/06/2001 12:11:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
 30000/(2000*365*24)=.00172

Assuming a equatorial length, 30000
trip, if it took 2000 years, the mph was
.00172.  I expect it is a lot faster than that.

If you go at 5 mph, you're talking 250 days,
which may still be a little slow.

7 posted on 09/06/2001 12:21:49 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Yes, doesn't seem correct, huh. (Maybe another current?)
8 posted on 09/06/2001 12:30:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: upchuck
Warmer climate = More evaporation from the Earth's oceans & a longer growing season for plants. Result ... greener Earth, but ...

More evaporation = heavier rains (Fresh Water), stronger storms

Heavier Rains & stronger storms = More run off of "Fresh Water" into the Earth's oceans

Fresh Water dilutes Salt Water … breaking the cycle of the conveyor that brings warm water up to the North Atlantic warming Iceland, England, Scotland and part of Europe!


9 posted on 09/06/2001 12:47:01 PM PDT by Bob Evans
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To: gcruse
Thanks for the post from the Environmental News Network (?!).

I would not be surprised that the 22-yr sunspot cycle somehow serves as the trigger for these events.

The drought cycle in the southwest/midwest is a well-known cyclical event that runs in approximately twenty year patterns.

I've suspected that sunspots were somehow involved, as they run much the same cycle, but wondered what the actual mechanism would be. An ocean current would fit the bill perfectly...

10 posted on 09/06/2001 5:53:27 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
Doesn't seem unrealistic, does it? And the earlier post about fresh water runoff echoes with something I heard six months ago. Global warming will be a factor, but just one factor. We could very well be delaying onset of the next ice age. When in doubt, do nothing.
11 posted on 09/06/2001 6:00:00 PM PDT by gcruse
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