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Posted on 09/08/2001 5:09:17 AM PDT by Prism


May I See Your Papers Please?

by Rick Gee

Abby Newman of Ferrum, Virginia is my newest hero. After you watch these videos, she may become your hero too. 

On September 12, 2000, Ms. Newman was traveling along Virginia 40, minding her own business, when a state police officer motioned for her to pull over. Had Ms. Newman been speeding? Was she weaving around after a night of cocktails? Was she a victim of racial profiling? No, she was pulled over for a routine “license and registration checkpoint.” 

Since she had done nothing wrong, and was being stopped for no good reason, Abby Newman was in no mood to cooperate with the police. 

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Cop: Who are you? What is your name? I need to know who you are. 

Newman: No, you don’t. 

Cop: Yes, ma’am, I do. 

Newman: I’m not speeding. I’m not intoxicated. I have given you no reason to stop me, and this irritates me. And I would be very happy to go into town and talk to the supervisor, because laws cannot be passed— 

Cop: Ma’am, I would be glad to give you my supervisor’s name and phone number, but first I have to know who you are. 

Newman: That is insufficient. You do not have to know who I am. 

(This cop must have been utterly flabbergasted at the insolence of this particular serf, because at this point he reaches inside Newman’s car and opens the door.) 

Newman: Sir, you cannot, you cannot— 

Cop: Step out of the vehicle. 

Newman: No sir. You cannot reach into this vehicle. 

Cop: Sure I can. I have to know who you are. 

(Gee, do you think he wants to know who she is? The suspense is killing him.) 

Newman: You do not. 

Cop: I must know who you are before you can go down the road. 

Newman: I have not broken any laws. 

(At this point, Cop #2 comes over, probably thinking, “What’s the hold-up here? I have a very important appointment at Krispy Kreme!”) 

Cop: I have not accused you of breaking any laws, ma’am.  

(Not yet he hasn’t. Just give him a minute; he’ll come up with something.) 

Newman: You just reached in my vehicle and opened this door. 

Cop: I have no idea who you are. You may be wanted in ten states for all I know, OK? I need to know who you are. Do you have a driver’s license? 

(Apparently Officer Vic here feels no compunction whatever in assuming the worst about this “suspect.”) 

Newman: It just occurred to me that you have no probable cause. 

(Probable cause? Where do you think this is, lady? America?) 

Cop: Shut the ignition off. 

Newman: What? 

Cop: Turn your car off for me. 

Newman: Why? 

Cop: Because I’m asking you to turn the car off. Turn the car off.

(Doesn’t sound like he’s asking to me. Sounds more like a direct order.) 

Cop: Are you going to give me your driver’s license? You’re not going to give me your driver’s license? 

Newman: No. 

Cop: OK, do you realize you’re obstructing justice? 

(Obstructing justice? Isn’t that what Slick Willie did? This woman is just sitting in her car, standing up for herself.) 

Newman: I’m on the side of the road and I’m not doing any such thing. You asked me to pull over— 

Cop: You’re obstructing justice. 

Newman: Justice? 

Cop: Yes ma’am. And I don’t know who you are. 

(His dogged pursuit of the identity of this dangerous criminal continues unabated.) 

Newman: You don’t need to know who I am. 

Cop: Yes ma’am, I do. 

Newman: I don’t know who you are, sir. 

Cop: Step out of the car for me. 

Newman: No sir. 

Cop: I am trooper Mike Boylan with the Virginia State Police. 

(Way to go, Mike. She’s sure to crack now!) 

Newman: You are violating my United States constitutional rights. No matter what the laws in the state of Virginia have to say, they cannot usurp that. Any laws that go contrary to the United States constitution are null and void, and I do not have to submit to them. I am not intoxicated. You have already stated you don’t know who I am, so therefore— 

(Uh oh, Mike. She sounds pretty smart: “usurp” and “null and void.” She must be a lawyer or something.) 

Cop: That’s the whole point: I don’t know who you are. I told you who I am, OK? 

(That’s the way, Mike. You tell her who’s boss.) 

Cop: This is an approved checking detail site. 

(Don’t you feel safer knowing that the cops are meticulously checking details of license and registration instead of, oh I don’t know, hunting down real criminals?) 

Cop: Are you gonna tell me who you are? 

Newman: No sir. 

Cop: You’re not gonna tell me who you are? 

(Mike, isn’t it obvious at this point that she has no intention of telling you her name? Maybe if you ask her another 16 times, she’ll tell you everything: her name, her measurements, where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. If that doesn’t work, maybe you can haul her downtown and put her under the hot lights, submit her to Chinese water torture, or better yet, take off her shoes [“I need you to take off your shoes. Are you gonna take off your shoes?”] and give her forty lashes with the bastinado.) 

Newman: You have not charged me with anything. You have not told me I’ve done anything wrong, and I do not owe you that, sir, because I don’t serve you; you serve me. And I think you and your bosses and everybody else who writes the laws have forgotten that. 

Cop: I told you, my bosses don’t write the laws, we simply enforce the law, ma’am. 

(Hey Mike, take out your gun and show her you’re not fucking around.) 

Newman: Even if they’re wrong? 

Cop: Is that worth debating here on the side of the road? 

(Uh, Mike, you forgot to ask her what her name is.) 

Newman: Yes sir, it is, because when you take one, you take another, you take another, and before you know it, we can’t go anywhere without our papers, and that’s what this is: “May I see your papers please? You can’t travel down this road, ma’am, unless you show me your papers please.” That’s what this is. 

Cop: Step out of the car for me. 

(Say “pretty please” Mike.) 

Newman: Sir. 

Cop: Step out of the car for me. 

Newman: I do not have to obey you. I’ve not broken any laws. 

Cop: I’m asking you to step out of the vehicle for me. 

(He is so patient and polite!) 

Newman: And I’m saying I’m not going to step out of my vehicle. You’ve already told me the stickers are in order. I wasn’t traveling, and under speed. I’ve done nothing wrong, and this is absolutely wrong. 

Cop: Do you have your driver’s license with you? 

(Mike has grown weary of Ms. Newman’s stalling tactics. He also has an appointment at Krispy Kreme. He and Cop #2 decide to give up on persuasion and resort to force.) 

Newman: Don’t reach inside my vehicle. 

Cop: I’m going to place you under arrest for obstructing justice. 

Newman: What am I obstructing, sir? SIR! 

Cop: Step out of the car for me. Step out of the car for me. 

Newman: You are physically forcing me out of my—no sir, don’t you touch any of my personal belongings in this car. You’re right I’ve recorded this conversation. Yes I did. 

Cop: Resisting arrest. 

Newman: I did not resist. 

Cop #2: I’ll get the car. 

(Ah, to hell with the Constitution, officer. Go ahead and search that car. No need for a warrant, or even probable cause.) 

Newman: Don’t you take one single item out of my vehicle, sir. (To Cop): I’m not fighting you. 

Cop: You’re under arrest for resisting arrest, obstruction of justice and assaulting a police officer. 

Newman: I did not assault you. 

(Later, when Ms. Newman is presumably handcuffed and in the squad car, our keystone cops engage in an illegal search of the car.) 

Cop: Would you say I did anything wrong? 

(Of course not, Mike. You are a veritable paragon of virtue.) 

Cop #2: No. 

Cop: I mean, she’s gotta present me a driver’s license. 

Cop #2: Yep. She’s got to. 

(The Adam-12 duo continues to rifle the car, looking for something with which they may trump up some additional charges, no doubt.) 

Cop: Strategies of Submarine Warfare, Hidden Agenda. 

Cop #2: Man, she’s into this weird crap. 

(Yeah, it’s really scary. She sounds like the type who would read Clancy!) 

Cop: Ruthless.com, The Bear and the Dragon, Patriot Games … Well, I better get a record started. 

Cop #2: Do you wanna ask her, or … 

Cop: I’ll just write down she invoked her right to remain silent, even though she don’t believe in our laws. 

(I had no idea that the verb “to do” was so difficult to conjugate, especially for a smart cop like you, Mike. That’s OK. You doesn’t need to know how to speak proper when you have that gun to do the talking for you.) 

*   *   *   *   *   *   * 

Do we need any further proof that the Constitution is dead in this country? The Fourth Amendment states “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” 

Abby Newman was very much aware of her constitutional rights on that September evening. Furthermore, she was willing to take a stand for those rights. Clearly, the search of her car was unreasonable; the cops had no warrant, nor did they have probable cause.  

Setting up a checkpoint where citizens are pulled over at random and harassed is a violation in itself. Usually they are set up under the guise of removing drunk drivers from the highways. How can these checkpoints be legal? Simple: the Supreme Court of the United States says so. In Michigan State Department of Police v. Sitz (1990), SCOTUS ruled that “In sum, the balance of the State's interest in preventing drunken driving, the extent to which this system can reasonably be said to advance that interest, and the degree of intrusion upon individual motorists who are briefly stopped, weighs in favor of the state program. We therefore hold that it is consistent with the Fourth Amendment.” 

Look, just because the Supreme Court issues such an opinion doesn’t make it right, or even constitutional. Remember, judges, even the top nine judges in the land, are merely lawyer-politicians in black robes and are an integral cog in the wheel of the state apparatus. We should not be surprised when the Supreme Court rules in favor of another branch of government and against the interests of individual liberty. 

Such checkpoints have no place in a free society. And what is the compelling State interest in making sure that randomly detained drivers have their license and registration in their possession? Whether the checkpoint is a DUI checkpoint or a detail checkpoint, the result is the same: the individual loses his liberty, and the state grows ever more tyrannical. 

In the interest of justifying such harassment, politicians and their statist supporters typically fall back on the mantra of the nanny state: we are here to protect you and provide you with security. Once again, they ignore the wisdom of Benjamin Franklin, who taught us “they that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ultimately, the protection that the state purports to provide is an illusion, and the dupes among us end up trading their liberty for a handful of air. Count me among those who wish to retain their liberty.

August 17, 2001

 

Rick Gee writes a monthly column entitled “On Liberty” for The Valley News in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

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1 posted on 09/08/2001 5:09:17 AM PDT by Prism
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To: Prism
Very interesting. What it really boils down to is a "power struggle". All she needed to do is show her driver's liscense. The cops were flummoxed when she refused to do so. I wonder how this turned out, as it happened a year ago. I guess these "check points" are legal. I have never been stopped for this sort of thing....if she was black, it could be categorized as racial profiling. The cops were in a position of authority, and when she refused to show her liscense...what was their alternative? Can you really see the cops saying..."Oh well, never mind, then."?
2 posted on 09/08/2001 5:46:32 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Prism
This lady is nuts. Just a routine check. Show your dang licence and head on with your business. Why intentionally start a fight with a cop if it's not necessary? She pretty much pushed the cop into this. I don't really blame him.
3 posted on 09/08/2001 5:47:05 AM PDT by ozzie
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To: ozzie
Yeah right, and the Jews in Germany were just put on boxcars for a "routine relocation".
4 posted on 09/08/2001 5:50:32 AM PDT by putupon
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To: putupon
We do not live in Nazi Germany. If you think we do, perhaps you should move. The lady was spoiling for a fight with a cop, and she got one. But guess what - the cop's going to win.

She's lucky she didn't end up with a PR-24 in a new and fascinating place within her body.

5 posted on 09/08/2001 5:56:39 AM PDT by strela
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To: ozzie
Show your dang licence (sic) and head on with your business.

Better yet: Hang it from a collar around your neck. Woof. Woof.

Sheesh, do they teach you this stuff in frog school? How's the water?

6 posted on 09/08/2001 5:57:49 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: ozzie
I wonder if a presidential motorcade would be subject to checkpoint search and seizure?

Same laws apply....right?

7 posted on 09/08/2001 6:02:54 AM PDT by cadillac cowboy
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To: strela
Either your grasp of logic (or maybe the English language) is abysmal, or YOU'RE spoiling for a fight.

Reading putupon's post, it's obvious that s/he wasn't suggesting that we are in Nazi Germany, but rather that ozzie was using similar reasoning. But you knew that, huh?

8 posted on 09/08/2001 6:05:32 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Prism
Check points are legal, at this point in time and officers have a legal right to ask the operator of a vehicle for a proper driver's license and the papers that show their vehicle is properly registered. PERIOD!!!

If this woman does not understand, she can turn in her driver’s license.

9 posted on 09/08/2001 6:08:43 AM PDT by truth_eagle
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To: putupon
"Yeah right, and the Jews in Germany were just put on boxcars for a "routine relocation".
That is a bit overstated and paranoid...if it was meant as a warning analogy. I resent unrestrained government intrusion, confiscation, etc. But an essential part of our freedom is that it cannot be maintained without laws. Random check points just to check for "papers" (liscense, registration, etc.) seem a waste of officier's time to me. But I guess they do it. It must have been a slow day for the cops. The lady could have avoided the confrontation by showing her licsence. Putupon, if you were the cop, would you have said..."hey, lady...never mind"?
10 posted on 09/08/2001 6:09:09 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: ozzie
The cops behaved like fascists. The fact that it seems so normal to you and many others is a measure of how far we as a culture have accepted statist rules and limits on our freedom. We are a free people and we are not to be molested by the state unless we are violating the rights of other

When the cops begin to see themselves as the bosses and think a stand for freedom is "weird" we have already lost a great deal.

11 posted on 09/08/2001 6:09:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: savedbygrace
How's the water?

Don't you mean, "How's the Kool-aid?"

12 posted on 09/08/2001 6:10:47 AM PDT by Lanman
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To: Prism
I've posted this on FR before, but it seems like a good story to add to this thread.

My best friend and I were driving up I-95 when I noticed my inspection sticker was expired. It was December 12, 1994 and I decided to get off the interstate at Bowling Green VA to get a new inspection sticker.

As we were trying to find a gas station that did inspections, seven VA State patrol cars heemed us in on U.S. 1. They drew their weapons and approached the vehicle. My friend and I put our hands out the window, and needless to say we were worried. I couldn't figure out why they had their guns drawned over an expired inspection sticker.

They asked us to step out of the vehicle, and asked if they could search the Jeep and our persons. I said, "do you have a warrant, fourth amendment stuff you know?" They said no, so I said you can't search.

The police kept us on the side of the road for two hours until they got a warrant. Then they proceeded to take the Jeep apart (literally).

After they finished, they gave me my weapon and license back and said that "I must have pissed someone off", and they left.

It took us another hour to put the Jeep back together.

Well, at least they didn't give me a ticket for an expired inspection sticker.

5.56mm

13 posted on 09/08/2001 6:19:47 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: savedbygrace
Either your grasp of logic (or maybe the English language) is abysmal, or YOU'RE spoiling for a fight.

Its obvious that YOU understood perfectly what I said in my reply and that your insult is merely a tactic (like putupon's overblown misuse of nazi imagery). Inferring that a police officer's asking a citizen for their ID is tantamount to sending Jews off to the concentration camps is a shameful and overused debate tactic that trivializes the real horrors of Hitler and the nazis.

The problem with crying wolf (or claiming that you are being subjected to the Holocaust every time you encounter a LEO) is that people see it for what it is; a bs cry for attention. The more you do it, the more people see that you are using it as a tactic, and the less they will tend to believe reports of true abuse. Automatically crying "Nazi!" every time something happens that you don't like ensures that fewer people will believe you if you happen to point out actual abuse.

But you knew that, huh?

14 posted on 09/08/2001 6:24:39 AM PDT by strela
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To: strela
If you think we do, perhaps you should move.

Our responsibility to our children is to restore the Republic, not give up. Isn't that, after all why we're here?

15 posted on 09/08/2001 6:25:20 AM PDT by B Knotts
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It is fascinating to me that far too many folks on this board can't comprehend the notion of "incremental." Today, in your automobile. Tomorrow, at your door? Will you have everything in order as they see fit? And if you don't?

Sticking ones head further into the sand won't prevent this from happening to them. "Show your papers and be on your way."

What will it take for the "masses" to realize that this is not normal in a free society? Flame away ostriches, tell me how wrong I am. But before you do, look up the meaning of incremental.

16 posted on 09/08/2001 6:27:35 AM PDT by Hoosier Patriot
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To: muir_redwoods
If the cops have no authority....why even have them? They ARE bosses in a situation like this. It is entirely possible they were looking for anything from a drug runner, to an escaped felon. She may have fit the profile. We don't have all the facts on this. I have seen random checkpoints on the highway. I have always been waved through. Some were stopped. I assumed they were looking for a vehicle type or a person presumed to be involved in an illegal deed. I am glad they are out there. I kind of got a kick out of how stunned the cops were at her refusal. They REALLY did not know what to do.
17 posted on 09/08/2001 6:28:07 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: ozzie
The odd thing is that they created these random stops because it was found illegal to stop people on mere suspicion.

This woman should have refused a drivers license on the ground that it was Nazish.

18 posted on 09/08/2001 6:29:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Prism
 Taken together, our decisions in Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz, 496 U.S. 444 (1990), and United States v. Martinez--Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543 (1976), stand for the proposition that suspicionless roadblock seizures are constitutionally permissible if conducted according to a plan that limits the discretion of the officers conducting the stops. I am not convinced that Sitz and Martinez-Fuerte were correctly decided. Indeed, I rather doubt that the Framers of the Fourth Amendment would have considered "reasonable" a program of indiscriminate stops of individuals not suspected of wrongdoing.

-Justice Clarence Thomas
Indianapolis v. Edmond

If we only had eight more Justice Thomases...

19 posted on 09/08/2001 6:31:19 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
Our responsibility to our children is to restore the Republic, not give up.

Showing a stupid driver's license to a cop is not going to destroy the Republic or ensure that we all dance in that big conga line down to the death camps. If the lady in the story wants to effect real, measurable change in the law, let her do it in the right venue; in court, not on the roadside. As it is, she merely looked like a wiseacre hothead spoiling for a fight with the police (which she richly deserved and got).

20 posted on 09/08/2001 6:32:49 AM PDT by strela
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