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Scripture Fulfilled: Rev. 17 & 18 Predicted the NY Attacks!
Revelation 17, 18 | September 15, 2001 | Hebrews 11:6

Posted on 09/15/2001 12:11:44 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6

THE NEW YORK ATTACKS WERE THE FULFILLMENT OF REVELATION 17 & 18

1. IT FITS THE SCRIPTURAL CONTEXT
The description of "Babylon’s" destruction in Rev. 17-18 follows the depiction of 28 judgments: the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, 7 Plagues, and 7 Bowls (Rev. 6-16), so the natural presumption is that it must follow them in time. Since those judgments have not yet occurred, it seems logical to conclude that this event must still lie in the future. However, a closer reading suggests just the opposite: that the destruction of Babylon precedes these judgments. There are two reasons:

(1) Internal Timing Clues
In Rev. 18 an angel announces, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the great!" A description of Babylon’s fall follows. However, the same event is described earlier in Rev. 14:8, where an angel makes exactly the same announcement. Note that both are given in the past tense: Babylon is already fallen. The first-occurring reference, in chapter 14, comes before the Plague and Bowl judgments, and we are not told how far back it refers, only that it is already accomplished. Thus, the placement of the narrative describing Babylon’s fall, coming after the judgments, is not indicative of its actual occurrence in time. Indeed, the Bible does not seem to place it in time at all, beyond a general indication that it occurs as part of the end-times.

(2) Lack of Reference to the Judgments
Nowhere in chapters 17-18 is there anything that suggests that any of the judgments have already occurred. However, the severity and omnipresence of many of those judgments, had they already happened, would be highly likely to cause them to be noticeable within the narrative. Instead, we see ships still at sea and the destruction of a booming trade in every conceivable commodity; moreover, immediately prior to its destruction Babylon is described as still being the epitome of luxury, which would be impossible after the judgments.


2. SYMBOLIC "BABYLON’S" DESCRIPTION FITS ONLY NEW YORK CITY

(1) "Babylon" Is Surely Symbolic
The Babylon we see destroyed in Ch. 18 is a world-leading city near an ocean (vv. 17-19), which could not fit the original Babylon in modern times. Moreover, the author finds it necessary to identify which city (17:18: "…the great city that rules…"), which would be pointless if the actual Babylon were intended.

(2) The Specific Political Description Fits Only New York City
In 17:18 we are told, "The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." This is a political description: Kings are the rulers of countries, and the only entity that even purports to rule over them is the United Nations, which is based in New York City.

(3) The Specific Economic Description Fits Only New York City
The extensive economic description in 18:11-24 fits only New York. It is the financial center of the world, housing Wall Street (NYSE, ASE, NASDAQ), and the US Dollar it controls commands the utmost respect worldwide. Thus, it rules over the merchants of the earth, who control the kings.


3. THE DESTRUCTION DESCRIBED AGREES

(1) The Timing Agrees
Three times in Chapter 18, in verses 10, 17, and 19, the destruction is described as having occurred in one hour. Note that the destruction took some time to occur: it was not instantaneous, for the text does not say "Your doom has come in an instant (or moment)." The two New York attacks came within one hour of each other (actually eighteen minutes apart; "minutes" were not used in Biblical times).

(2) The Method Agrees
The Bible specifies fire and overwhelming smoke (18:18), which certainly describes what occurred in New York.

(3) The Target Agrees
The target was the World Trade Center, the most visible New York symbol of international commerce. The entire last half of chapter eighteen describes the "merchants of the earth" and the economic devastation.


4. WHAT IT ALL MEANS
The 28 judgments described in Revelation 6-16 have a specific purpose: to warn people that this is their last chance to turn to God before the end. Many will finally do so. That is the context in which the destruction of "Babylon" occurs.

God’s people rejected Him, and Babylon was the agent God used when He finally expelled Judah from the Promised Land. As such, Babylon represents their rejection of Him. People continue to reject Him today. Instead of trusting Him, they put their trust in man-made hopes: "world peace" and "personal wealth." New York represents both. The United Nations is the most visible symbol of man’s attempt to achieve peace, and Wall Street is the corresponding symbol for achieving material wealth and comfort.

Man has been striving to save himself, rather than permitting God to save him, since the Garden. God allowed that striving for a time, but now He has signalled that that time is over. He demonstrated in one hour that those who trust in man’s peace and wealth are without hope. He will follow with 28 more judgments, increasingly severe.

Heed the warning. God sent His Son to save us. You cannot save yourself--instead, you must trust Him. If you seek Him earnestly, He will find you.


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Extra bonus for Freepers: God waited until W was settled in office before allowing this. Just think if Clinton were President....
1 posted on 09/15/2001 12:11:44 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Did anyone predict before Tuesday that Revelations would turn out after Tuseday to have predicted the NY attacks?
2 posted on 09/15/2001 12:14:34 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Hebrews 11:6
What a waste of a human mind.
3 posted on 09/15/2001 12:14:42 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Nonsense.
4 posted on 09/15/2001 12:15:02 PM PDT by Stingray
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Sorry, Revelationfan, I don't care if this is the end of times, and I don't want to hear about it. It merely distracts us from our duty to our country right now.
Okay, you think your duty to God comes first. You are a better Christian than I am.
For me, it's "Praise God and pass the ammo." And I think this other kind of talk undermines the morale of our country and our fighting troops.
We can win this thing and we don't need the Second Coming to do it.
Let's hold all that for when times are really bad. This is manageable. In the end of times, even good Christians lose their grip, and I've still got a grip on, so you'll just have to count on seeing Jesus in all His Glory later, not this year.
6 posted on 09/15/2001 12:18:38 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: carlspackler
Considering your abilities with the English language you won't be sorely missed....
7 posted on 09/15/2001 12:19:20 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Just throw any credibility left onto the bonfire and funeral pyres, bub.

Don't forget to finish your Kool-Aid.

8 posted on 09/15/2001 12:20:01 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: Hebrews 11:6
My copy of the Bible is wrapped in tin foil, so the verses don't mean quite the same thing when I read them.
9 posted on 09/15/2001 12:20:20 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Of course no one predicted it, certainly not Mr. Hal Lindsey! These after the fact rationalizations were also used during the Gulf War though at that time, of course, we were told that "Babylon" was a real place not a "symbol."
10 posted on 09/15/2001 12:20:22 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: carlspackler
Please don't go!
11 posted on 09/15/2001 12:20:25 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: carlspackler
My guess: They don't want people using FR as a dumping ground. The model is that people will link to news items and discuss them. It's a good model.
12 posted on 09/15/2001 12:20:42 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: carlspackler
hey carl:

I hit the abuse button for you, old buddy. Your posting hardly fits in the context of enlightened discussion.

Buh-bye, newbie.

13 posted on 09/15/2001 12:22:00 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Hebrews 11:6
If it's so damned clear, why didn't you tell us the day before it happened?
14 posted on 09/15/2001 12:22:29 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Hebrews 11:6
People that use tragedies such as this to advance twisted interpretations of
prophecies are beyond shame. Furthermore, WHY ARE ALL YOU REVELATION
NUTJOBS PATENTLY OBSESSED WITH ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENTS???!!!

"New York is Babylon"
"The U.S. is Babylon"

The Bible is not a fill in the blank prophecy manual.
15 posted on 09/15/2001 12:24:26 PM PDT by Vindibudd
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To: carlspackler
You don't seem to understand. Anyone who registers can post an article and "an article" can consist of nothing more than your question. Your cursing of the website only demonstrates you inability to read. What is your question?
16 posted on 09/15/2001 12:24:43 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: carlspackler
It also helps to take your MEDS first! ;0)
17 posted on 09/15/2001 12:24:59 PM PDT by cibco
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Scripture Fulfilled: Rev. 17 & 18 Predicted the NY Attacks!
or not
18 posted on 09/15/2001 12:25:12 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Does this even merit a rebuttal? I doubt it, but here goes:

"Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen" (Rev 18:2)-- Our nation hasnt fallen-- indeed, we are as strong as we ever were. I havent seen us cowering in fear-- I see American patriotism revived like I have never seen in my nineteen short years on earth.

"And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more" (Rev 18:12). Didnt happen. Our economy hasnt tanked yet.

"And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." -- Rev 19:22-23. Nope. Didnt happen. The devestation isnt so bad that NY will forever be in darkness, nor is it so bad that people will stop marrying.

Do try to do a little better job of hermaneutics before shooting your mouth off.

19 posted on 09/15/2001 12:25:20 PM PDT by jude24 (Study to shew thyself approved unto God... rightly dividing the Word of Truth.)
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To: carlspackler
Sir, do you typically enter someone's abode and then trash the place with rude comments about the home, the family, and the owner? If you don't like the forum and its rules, find another one to your liking. You are the weakest link. Good-bye.
20 posted on 09/15/2001 12:26:06 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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