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Breaking: -- Pilots union to ask Congress to allow pilots to have guns in cockpit
CNN ^ | Sept. 24, 2001 | CNN

Posted on 09/24/2001 12:20:16 PM PDT by jern

BREAKING NEWS from CNN.com

-- Pilots union to ask Congress to allow pilots to have guns in cockpit. Details soon.


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1 posted on 09/24/2001 12:20:16 PM PDT by jern
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To: jern
--how about "require" rather than "allow"?
2 posted on 09/24/2001 12:23:26 PM PDT by rellimpank
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To: jern
As long as they promise not to use them to "save" the stewardesses.

The "lured the crew out" by killing the stewards being Case in Point why I'm against women in combat.

3 posted on 09/24/2001 12:24:00 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Heck, arm and train the flight attendants, too. I met a male flight attendant the other day (no jokes, please) who is an ex-deputy sherriff. I pity any terrorist who gets on the wrong side of this hombre. Nothing limp about HIM, I can assure you.
4 posted on 09/24/2001 12:27:32 PM PDT by Silly
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To: Askel5
Looks like I won't be complaining about the service on the flights anymore.
5 posted on 09/24/2001 12:27:37 PM PDT by HEFFERNAN2
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To: jern
Good news! long overdue. if it works for El-Al, it will work for the USA.
6 posted on 09/24/2001 12:30:05 PM PDT by AgThorn
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To: Silly
"Nothing limp about HIM, I can assure you."


Trust me when I say, we don't need to know the details...
7 posted on 09/24/2001 12:30:54 PM PDT by Registered
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To: jern
BUMP!

The best idea since sliced bread and about time.

It will be amusing to watch the usual gun control suspects dance around this incredibly sensible solution.

8 posted on 09/24/2001 12:31:59 PM PDT by Agent Smith
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To: jern
they should be supplied proper ammo for such duty ... and a bit of marksmanship training ... we don't want them shooting willy-nilly ... unless of course it's some scumbag working for bin Laden GOING by the name of "willy-nilly" ...
9 posted on 09/24/2001 12:33:13 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Silly
Armed stewardesses? As long as they can hold their own, fine by me.

If only looks could kill ...

10 posted on 09/24/2001 12:36:08 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: jern
H.R 2896: Allow Armed Pilots
11 posted on 09/24/2001 12:37:13 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: jern
Kinda solves the Air Rage problem too. LOL

"This is your Captian speaking. Please remain seated... or else."

12 posted on 09/24/2001 12:37:40 PM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: rellimpank
--how about "require" rather than "allow"?

ALLOW will work just fine. The free market will take care of the rest. You can be darn sure people will book more flights on the airlines that voluntarily choose to train and arm their pilots. Those airlines that fail to do so will either "get with the program" or have their profits diminish.

There is also an unintended consequence of this. If liberals aren't hypocrites (unlikely), they will tend to book their flights irrespective of whether the pilots are armed. Hence, statistically, more liberals will be on flights that do not have armed pilots. Terrorists will take the path of least resistance. Well, you can figure out the rest of the story.

14 posted on 09/24/2001 12:40:01 PM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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To: jern
Our Administration Office told us today to be sure to be at the airport for domestic flights THREE HOURS before the flight.

Will that make us safe?

Hot water can be used as a weapon---anything can be used as a weapon. Asking us stupid questions like "Has a terrorist asked you to carry any bombs for him?" does nothing to make us safe.

Arming the pilots---or having armed guards on every flight---is the only thing that will make us safe.

15 posted on 09/24/2001 12:40:57 PM PDT by 07055
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To: jern
What took so long?
16 posted on 09/24/2001 12:42:36 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Bobby777
I recall sometime ago that the IDF developed special ammo for aircraft use. It needed a special revolver that used shotgun like shells and the shot were made of plastic. It was designed to take your head off at 3-6 feet, but would mushroom on contact with the fuselage and not cause explosive decompression. No need to have to shoot some al la Dirty Harry style.

It deserves a look. :^)

17 posted on 09/24/2001 12:42:56 PM PDT by Robe
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To: jern
At least they woke up from their long sleep.
18 posted on 09/24/2001 12:43:33 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: jern
CONTACT:
Dr. Ignatius Piazza
1.800.987.7719
Fax: 831.684.2137
e-mail: info@frontsight.com
http://www.frontsight.com


WHICH AIRLINE WILL COMMAND AND CONTROL THE SKIES?

Las Vegas, Nevada:  Will it be American, United, TWA, Delta,
SouthWest, or some small airline carrier that steps up and
with one bold move commands and controls the American air
passenger market?

Dr. Ignatius Piazza, Founder and Director of Front Sight
Firearms Training Institute in Las Vegas Nevada knows that
the first airline to arm pilots and co-pilots with handguns
to defend their cockpits, will immediately gain the market
share of domestic and international flights.  Front Sight
Firearms Training Institute (See Press Release of September
12 entitled Free Gun Training For Commercial Pilots or visit
www.frontsight.com Solution To World Trade Center/Pentagon
Attack) has offered to train commercial pilots and co-pilots
FREE OF CHARGE from every commercial airline that allows the
pilot and co-pilot to carry a gun on board to defend the
cockpit.

Piazza states, "The first commercial airline to make the
statement that they will arm their pilots and co-pilots with
a handgun will have the immediate and overwhelming support
of 80 million gun owning Americans, the pilots, and the
public.  All a commercial airline needs to do is call me and
we can start training their pilots tomorrow-- free of
charge."  Says Piazza, "Front Sight knows the public
overwhelmingly supports arming pilots because since our
first press release of September 12, where we offered to
train the pilots and co-pilots free of charge, we have been
flooded with thousands of positive phone calls, letters, and
e-mail from pilots, gun owners, and the public. 99.9%
positive response to arm and train pilots. The first
commercial airline to do the right thing and take the
logical step to protect their passengers, flight crews, and
aircrafts will see their public stock value soar, their
flights fill to capacity, and gain the endless admiration of
flight passengers around the world.  I personally hope
American or United make the first move as it would
demonstrate a will to turn the tables on terrorists and take
back control of the skies."

Aaron Benedetti, a United Airlines co-pilot and Platinum
member of Front Sight's Firearms Training Resort in Las
Vegas agrees. "The fear of the American people is real. Air
travel is down, way down and may never recover if we
continue disarming passengers and pilots," says Benedetti.
"Airlines are laying off people by the thousands.  Most
people do not know that Federal Aviation Regulation 108.11
currently allows airlines to arm their personnel with
handguns.  I hope United is the first to do so. United could
once again claim they fly the friendly skies and overnight,
corner the market on armed flights. I fully support arming
pilots and co-pilots and I have experienced Front Sight's
training first hand.  It is the best in the world.  Front
Sight's patriotism in providing training free of charge is
truly commendable.  It would be a shame for United not to be
the first airline to take advantage of it."

Mark Donovan, a Southwest Captain and Bronze member of Front
Sight's Firearms Institute hopes that SouthWest is the first
to lead the way.  Donovan states, "SouthWest clearly
dominates their market at this time and is rated #1 in
customer service, but an upstart airline or one of our
competitors could steal that away in a heartbeat with a
single press release and rotation of their pilots through
Front Sight's training courses. FAR 108.11 allows SouthWest
to authorize it's pilots to carry a handgun on board to
protect their cockpits.  All it takes is the airline to make
the decision.  SouthWest prides itself on Positively
Outrageous Service. What could be better service than to
insure our passengers safety with an armed and trained
pilot? It would make me proud to see SouthWest make the move
first before someone else does."

Lieutenant Bob Redmond, SWAT Commander of Nye County
Sheriff's Department concurs that Front Sight's training is
exactly what the commercial airliners need and that they
should immediately begin sending their pilots to Front
Sight. Redmond, who sends his SWAT officers to Front Sight
for firearms and tactical training states, "Front Sight's
training exceeds levels offered by most if not all law
enforcement agencies throughout the country.  Front Sight's
training is so good that I want every officer we have in the
department to attend every course Front Sight offers. If
airlines sent their pilots to Front Sight, it would be like
having SWAT officers in the sky."

Paul Nelson, an American Airlines Co-pilot and reserve
police officer for the city of Pasadena believes that in
order to restore the confidence of the American public,
strong and necessary steps must be immediately taken to
empower pilots as the last line of defense of passengers and
aircraft.  Nelson emphatically states, "Front Sight and FAR
108.11 provide American Airlines with an easily initiated
and meaningful step to regain passenger confidence in our
airline.  If we do not take this step, I fear that the
public will never return to the skies as they once did."
Nelson continues, "American Airlines has a distinct
opportunity to turn this tragedy into triumph and make our
domestic skies the safest in the world.  As soon as the
executives at American give the word, I am going to Front
Sight! God bless them."

Dr. Ignatius Piazza is no stranger to commanding an industry
and gaining market share.  Front Sight entered the firearms
training industry as an unknown in April of 1996. Under
Piazza's leadership Front Sight has experienced growth up to
300% per year and risen to the top of the industry. Front
Sight now trains more students than all other shooting
schools combined.  Front Sight is currently developing a
world class firearms training resort on 550 acres just 45
minutes from Las Vegas.  Front Sight's staff of over 120
firearms instructors provide handgun, shotgun, rifle,
submachine gun, and tactical training to law enforcement and
law- abiding private citizens alike in a positive and
supportive environment.  Front Sight, the only facility in
the country to offer free submachine gun courses, has
trained over 15,000 law-abiding citizens and law enforcement
officers free of charge in the use of the Uzi submachine gun
in the last three years. Front Sight continues to offer its
free submachine gun course through the end of this year.
Front Sight has been featured positively in every major
newspaper and on every major television network in the
country. To date, Front Sight has accomplished its amazing
growth and development with ongoing cash flow and without
debt financing or investment money.  Says Piazza, "Front
Sight stands ready, willing, and able to train commercial
airline pilots and co-pilots on a moment's notice.  Which
airline will be the one to command and control the American
skies?"  For more information visit Front Sight's web site
at www.frontsight.com or call 1.800.987.7719

Contact information:    

Dr. Ignatius Piazza                    1.800.987.7719
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute    www.frontsight.com
Aaron Benedetti, United Airlines Co-Pilot    925.454.5214
Lt.Bob Redmond, Nye County SWAT Commander    775.751.7002
Mark Donovan, SouthWest Airlines Pilot        702.270.3912
Paul Nelson, American Airlines Co-Pilot    949.498.7815
19 posted on 09/24/2001 12:43:39 PM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: jern
Should also prevent drunk @$$holes from doing their duty on the refreshment carts as well.
20 posted on 09/24/2001 12:43:56 PM PDT by brewcrew
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