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Noxious Fumes Shut Down LA Redline subway
KABC-TV | 9-26-01

Posted on 09/26/2001 6:18:31 PM PDT by dogbyte12

A group of at least 24 people waiting to get on the redline in the heart of LA began complaining of noxious fumes and reported symptoms of scratchy throats, burning sensation in their eyes. Two police officers who went down to investigate report the same symptoms. Nothing appears lifethreatening, it could be nothing, but the story is developing now in L.A.

It might be a case of mass hysteria due to the bio warnings in the news, or something noxious like a cleaning chemical, the streets are cordoned off in the area, and it appears that firefighters, and biohazard folks are being sent in to investigate. Any linkable story comes in, I will update on it.


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1 posted on 09/26/2001 6:18:31 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Somebody probably lit a cigarette
2 posted on 09/26/2001 6:22:39 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: dogbyte12
Chances are if a terrorist decides to unleash biological warfare in a subway, the people effected wouldn't be around long enough to report the symptoms.
3 posted on 09/26/2001 6:22:50 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: dogbyte12
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/

This is their site but nothing more than you reported.

4 posted on 09/26/2001 6:23:47 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: riley1992
Oh, I agree. Somebody smelt something funny in the subway, started getting sick, vomitting, then mass hysteria. The LAPD, LAFD are taking it seriously though. If it's mass hysteria, 2 cops fell victim to it as well.
5 posted on 09/26/2001 6:24:10 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: riley1992
Chances are if a terrorist decides to unleash biological warfare in a subway, the people effected wouldn't be around long enough to report the symptoms.

No, if they unleashed (an effective) *chemical* warfare agent, the people would be dead now.

BIOLOGICAL agents all take longer to kill, from 1-14 days. And if it's designed to kill by contagion, you don't *want* the victims dying immediately, you want to leave them time to wander around for a while and infect others.

6 posted on 09/26/2001 6:25:12 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: dogbyte12
Was Rosie riding the train again?
7 posted on 09/26/2001 6:25:50 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: riley1992
Chances are if a terrorist decides to unleash biological warfare in a subway, the people effected wouldn't be around long enough to report the symptoms.

Maybe not, Riley. Anthrax takes a few days to kill. We've become conditioned by movies to think of chemical or biological weapons as instant death, though I imagine there are many out there which work their ill considerably slower.

8 posted on 09/26/2001 6:26:19 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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With these symptoms and the immediacy of onset, I would think that it would more likely be chemical than biological.

But you're right; it's probably nothing.

9 posted on 09/26/2001 6:26:45 PM PDT by BurkeanCyclist
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To: dogbyte12
Oh, I agree. Somebody smelt something funny in the subway, started getting sick, vomitting, then mass hysteria. The LAPD, LAFD are taking it seriously though. If it's mass hysteria, 2 cops fell victim to it as well.

I doubt it's mass hysteria.

More likely, there were actually some irritating fumes, either from a generator, a closed flue in a subway restaurant kitchen, spilled cleaning fluid, etc.

10 posted on 09/26/2001 6:27:17 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: Dan Day
You're right. (God, I hate saying that. LOL). I was thinking chemical.
11 posted on 09/26/2001 6:27:26 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: riley1992
Got your gas mask yet riley?
12 posted on 09/26/2001 6:27:52 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: MississippiMan, BurkeanCyclist
Please see reply #11. It goes against everything I am to admit I am wrong more than once in a thread. LOL
13 posted on 09/26/2001 6:29:42 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: BurkeanCyclist
With these symptoms and the immediacy of onset, I would think that it would more likely be chemical than biological.

I wouldn't rule out chemical weapons either. Some take a while to kill, but the effects are immediately noticable...

14 posted on 09/26/2001 6:29:54 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: riley1992
Chances are if a terrorist decides to unleash biological warfare in a subway, the people effected wouldn't be around long enough to report the symptoms.

I'd think they wouldn't even notice for several days. If it's a chemical attack, remember lots of people made it out alive from Tokyo when that subway was hit with sarin.

The police officers getting sick isn't surprising to me. They have no doubt been told lots of nasty info lately about chem and biologicals, and it's weighing, and now what do they hear over their radios? Their worst nightmare.

15 posted on 09/26/2001 6:30:06 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: FormerLurker
Nope. When is your Senator picking you up to go shopping for yours?
16 posted on 09/26/2001 6:30:31 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: Chemist_Geek
It has to be weighing on their minds heavily.
17 posted on 09/26/2001 6:32:04 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: riley1992
Actually I've got a chemical mask for noxious fumes. Don't know if it'd work against the heavy stuff though. Most people don't have any protection at all..
18 posted on 09/26/2001 6:32:30 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: riley1992
Nothing other than the immediate symptoms of sore throats and burning eyes to report. That pretty much is the extent as of now of any injuries. The subway is still shut down though. All 3 local news shows have gone to national news now, so it appears it is considered something minor. Thank goodness. LA would be chaotic after a chemical or biological attack.
19 posted on 09/26/2001 6:33:31 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: riley1992
Chances are if a terrorist decides to unleash biological warfare in a subway, the people effected wouldn't be around long enough to report the symptoms.

The incubation period for smallpox is typically 10 to 12 days. The incubation period for anthrax is typically 2 to 5 days. The incubation period for tularemia is usually 3 days.

20 posted on 09/26/2001 6:33:39 PM PDT by aristeides (demosthenes@olg.com)
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