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Gold falls on increased lending of metal
Bloomberg no url don't ask | 9/27/01

Posted on 09/27/2001 9:49:54 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker

New York, Sept. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Gold futures had their biggest decline in three months, as some investors lent bullion they had purchased after terrorist attacks on the U.S.

While there is little hope of a sustained rally as a result of the attacks, investors are reluctant to sell gold they bought as protection from declines in the value of other assets, such as stocks, traders said. They are instead lending bullion to improve returns from the investment, adding supplies to the market.

``People have bought gold and now they have gold to lend,'' said Donald Eckert, head of precious metals trading at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. in New York. ``They're scared to sell it.''

Gold for December delivery fell as much as $4.30, or 1.5 percent, to $290.50 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange, the biggest one-day decline for a most-active contract since June 27. While gold futures have risen 6.1 percent since the Sept. 11 attacks, they are down from the 19-month high of $300 reached on Sept. 14.

The increased lending of gold sent interest rates on the transactions lower. The London bank rate for lending gold for one month fell to 0.4488 percent, on an annual basis, from 0.6738 percent yesterday.

Gold rallies have been short-lived in recent years, as tame inflation gave investors little interest in holding the metal as a hedge against falling prices. Gold has lost about one-third of its value in the past five years.

``The only sustainable rallies are driven by consumer demand, and we haven't seen one of those for years,'' said Robert Doyle, an analyst at Credit Suisse First Boston in Toronto.


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1 posted on 09/27/2001 9:49:55 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
The Fed is still too tight....champion fiddle players while fires burn everywhere.
2 posted on 09/27/2001 9:54:31 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: NativeNewYorker
Gold is going up!
3 posted on 09/27/2001 9:54:43 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: FightThePower!
Gold is dead. Every central bank is selling it at a rapid clip, and buyers are no longer frightened into putting their money into Gold after every tragedy or disaster.

Besides, if you've ever actually dealt in physically trading the metal, you know what a hassle it is to have to melt down your bullion and have it tested (can't have lead hidden inside gold bars) everytime you want to move it from one bank to another.

It costs too much to store gold (security, space, availability, insurance) and it costs too much to trade gold (melting it down, having it tested for purity, etc).

While Gold is down (and we've just had the largest terrorist disaster in all of history), treasury bonds are up. People clearly feel more comfortable putting their cash into government-backed bonds than they do into putting it into unbacked bullion.

4 posted on 09/27/2001 10:02:51 AM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
Gold is near 1 year highs. The dollar is about to enter a major bear market and gold will rally.
5 posted on 09/27/2001 10:10:14 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: Southack
"People clearly feel more comfortable putting their cash into government-backed bonds than they do into putting it into unbacked bullion."

Ah yes, the good faith and credit of Uncle Sam. What happens when the billions of foreign owned FRB notes are unloaded because the dollar is sliding?

Historically, gold was used to back currencies, not the other way around.

Keep your eye on JP Morgan too, ever heard of derivatives? They are leveraged by derivatives 365 times greater than their market cap. That might provide some excitement.

6 posted on 09/27/2001 10:13:19 AM PDT by Mike K
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To: FightThePower!
So...you bought gold at $450, too ?
7 posted on 09/27/2001 10:21:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I don't own any physical gold. But I am long Homestake Mining (HM) at around 6.50.
8 posted on 09/27/2001 10:25:07 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: FightThePower!
"Gold is near 1 year highs. The dollar is about to enter a major bear market and gold will rally."

Why? That makes for a neat slogan but it doesn't exactly provide any supporting facts. Do metals normally rally AFTER nearing their 1 year highs, for instance?!

Gold is below the cost to mine it (worldwide average cost is $300 per ounce) because people don't want it anymore.

Gold is lower now than before the terrorist attack on the WTC and Pentagon because people don't trust it as much as they trust government-backed instruments such as Treasury Bonds.

Gold has declined EVERY year for more than the past twenty years. Why would it suddenly rally now?

Frankly, with all central banks dumping their old gold stores onto the market, I can't see a few craven "investors" suddenly driving up the price of the ugly yellow metal.

9 posted on 09/27/2001 10:25:08 AM PDT by Southack
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To: Mike K
"Historically, gold was used to back currencies, not the other way around."

Historically, salt was used to back Roman currencies and pay Roman soldiers (hence the phrase which endures today - "worth your salt").

But I don't forecast a rally in Salt prices, either.

Just examine facts. Where did people put their Billions after the WTC and Pentagon attacks? Into Gold or into Treasury Bonds?

Like I said, gold is dead because people trust government-backed instruments more than they trust unbacked metals.

10 posted on 09/27/2001 10:28:08 AM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
It costs too much to store gold (security, space, availability, insurance) and it costs too much to trade gold (melting it down, having it tested for purity, etc).

What about Kruegerrands?

11 posted on 09/27/2001 10:31:20 AM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: Southack
Gold is lower now than before the terrorist attack on the WTC and Pentagon because people don't trust it as much as they trust government-backed instruments such as Treasury Bonds.

Not true. Gold was sitting at $271/oz on Sept 10. Gold Charts. When the Fed pumped some $85B in liquidity into the banking system, it popped up. Since they took $60B out this week, it has declined.

12 posted on 09/27/2001 10:32:34 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Southack
Immediately after the World Trade Center attack, gold rallied about $15. But the advance quickly reversed as many dispirited, would-be gold bulls threw in the towel. Since then, gold has been tiptoeing higher. And now, more than two weeks after the attack, spot gold has managed to climb to its highest closing price in more than one year. Ironically, investment demand for gold coins appears to be the driving force behind the move. Greg Weldon of Weldon's Money Monitor reports that retail demand for gold coins is "through the roof." Mike Tordella, a wholesaler of precious metals, bars, and coins tells Weldon that his sales volumes are up 500% over last month. "We are getting calls from financial planners who are looking for half-a-million or even one million dollars worth of gold for their clients," says Tordella. "That represents a small portion of an individual portfolio, but it is a lot more than what people had been considering previously." "The Mint was caught unprepared for the run on coins, having maintained minimal inventories due to lack of demand," says Frank McGhee, a coin dealer at Alliance Financial in Chicago. This new demand "has created problems with getting enough planchets (blanks) for the making of bullion coins." Something less extreme than impending Armageddon may be whetting the appetites of all these gold buyers. Like plain vanilla inflation, for example. The recent sell off in the 30-year Treasury bond seems to suggest as much.
13 posted on 09/27/2001 10:33:02 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: 537 Votes
Have you tried depositing those gold coins into a bank?

There are still a few holdout banks in the world which will accept gold on deposit, but they ALL require you to melt it down and have it tested for purity, unless you pay them RENT to store your gold in non-interest-bearing safe-deposit-boxes.

So you are faced with EITHER paying to have your gold melted down and tested, or else you are forced to pay rent to have your gold stored, insured, and guarded.

14 posted on 09/27/2001 10:35:37 AM PDT by Southack
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To: Wyatt's Torch
What is the price of Gold today per ounce?
15 posted on 09/27/2001 10:36:17 AM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
New York is at $290.50, Link

Incidentally, you mention "metal backed by nothing". Does gold not have an inate value and is it not a more "moentary like" commodity that salt since salt can be grown?

16 posted on 09/27/2001 10:39:23 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Southack
$293 as of 1:00.
17 posted on 09/27/2001 10:42:08 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Does gold not have an inate value

No, actually it doesn't. Gold's value lies in the fact that someone will give you something in exchange for it. It has no innate or intrinsic value beyond that, same as any other commodity.
18 posted on 09/27/2001 10:42:47 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Southack
Actually, I agree with the principal of what you are saying, but the facts are not with you at this particular moment. Gold rallied 10% on the 11th and 12th (done nothing since then) and long term treasury bonds have collapsed, as insurance companies have had to sell to raise cash to pay claims. So you're wrong, but actually you are still right anyway.
19 posted on 09/27/2001 10:44:20 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: general_re
That's true for all commerce. I was trying to compare a physical possession that has been valued by man over many years versus a piece of paper that could be declared null and void overnight.
20 posted on 09/27/2001 10:46:18 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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