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STRATEGY: Key US Aim will be to Take Prisoners
The Liverpool Daily Post & Echo Ltd ^ | 9/30/01 | Hugh Dougherty

Posted on 09/30/2001 5:22:57 PM PDT by GVnana

Daily Post (Liverpool) September 28, 2001

KEY US AIM 'WILL BE TO TAKE PRISONERS'

By Hugh Dougherty

AMERICAN commandos are planning secret missions to capture hundreds of Osama bin Laden's henchmen, it was reported yesterday. The special forces are preparing to mount raids on caves and tunnels in Afghanistan where bin Laden's associates can be found after fleeing their training camps.

And the American forces gathering around Afghanistan are preparing to use the latest precision weapons which use a hi-tech network of satellites to find their targets. The smart weapons are the latest upgrade to technology first employed in the Gulf War. It uses the global positioning system (GPS) to find and destroy targets.

The commando forces being deployed in Operation Enduring Freedom will be used to take prisoners in Afghanistan to gain vital intelligence about where to find bin Laden, the New York Post claimed.

Bin Laden's terror camps are believed to be empty and hundreds of his followers are scattered across a network of caves and tunnels in the mountains south of Afghanistan. The leader himself disappeared on September 11, the day his suspected followers launched suicide attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

The first phase of the war being planned by the Pentagon will be a wave of air strikes using bombs and cruise missiles against the Taliban's military targets, including the handful of bases from where its tiny air force operates. American planes and helicopters can then patrol the skies above the war-torn country.

After the air strikes, small groups of special forces soldiers will move in from bases in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan to hunt down bin Laden and his associates, it is reported. An American official said: "This is not Baghdad or Belgrade, where we had fixed targets. "This will involve tracking down terrorists in groups of a dozen or more all over Afghanistan."

Snatch squads from the ultra-secret Delta Force, which specialises in hostage rescue and anti-terrorist raids, will undertake lightning strikes against suspected terrorist hideouts to take prisoners for interrogation.

Military analyst John Pike said: "The taking of prisoners is going to be very important in this operation. "Their strategy is going to be very similar to the way the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Agency tries to unravel any criminal enterprise - which is to arrest people and work up the food chain." A military official said: "It's why you hear all this talk from the leadership about this being a dirty war in the shadows."

The air war will be fought using the latest weaponry, developed to improve on the munitions used in the Gulf War. The missiles and bombs are fitted with technology which allows them to use the satellites to determine their exact location and correct their course. GPS technology can be bought over the counter, but it was originally developed for the American military, and fitting it to missiles is its latest use. Tomahawk Cruise missiles have benefited from the technology, as have traditional bombs, some of which date back to the Vietnam war, in a bid to improve their accuracy.

The move means long-distance missiles will be as accurate as short-range ones, a vital consideration when they are being fired from ships in the Indian Ocean, far from Afghanistan. Owen Cote, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said "GPS has revolutionised the whole concept of how we look at these operations."


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I hope our boys understand they are facing religious fanatics that want to die.
1 posted on 09/30/2001 5:22:57 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVgirl
I wonder if these people wish to die, in Iraq they couldn't wait to surrender as soon as the bombing ended. You may have few fanatics but when it comes to putting their biscuits on the line it may be another story.
2 posted on 09/30/2001 5:32:50 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: boomop1
True. I remember those images too. I guess we're going to find out soon enough. Sure seems like it complicates things, but then the "intelligence" (barf) might be worth it.
3 posted on 09/30/2001 5:40:28 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVgirl
I hope our boys understand they are facing religious fanatics that want to die.

I hope our boys oblige them.

In all seriousness, I don't know why they are bothering to try to capture or even pursue anyone. Just bottle them up in the caves and tunnels and leave them there.

If you capture them, you'll just give their buddies something to rally around. We'll have an endless series of hostage-taking, demanding that "political prisoners" be released.

4 posted on 09/30/2001 5:40:38 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: GVgirl
Good, catch them and feed them to wild pigs. Pig sh*t don't make it to Islamic heaven.
5 posted on 09/30/2001 5:46:27 PM PDT by Lee Enfield
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To: boomop1
I wonder if these people wish to die, in Iraq they couldn't wait to surrender as soon as the bombing ended.

IMO these people signed up freely which means they are much more likely to fight as opposed to sadam's forces who were/are in large part forced into sevice. Remember the russian experience in ashcanastain.

6 posted on 09/30/2001 5:48:51 PM PDT by is_is
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To: justlurking
In all seriousness, I don't know why they are bothering to try to capture or even pursue anyone. Just bottle them up in the caves and tunnels and leave them there.

Says right in the article that they'll be used for intelligence-gathering purposes. In other words, they want them alive to interrogate them.

If you capture them, you'll just give their buddies something to rally around. We'll have an endless series of hostage-taking, demanding that "political prisoners" be released.

This is true if they remain alive and in custody. Here's hoping they don't. If our military is too squeamish to shoot the bastards (after a quick but fair military trial, of course), then turn them over to the Northern Alliance. They might be reluctant to execute their fellow Afghans (apart from the Taliban leadership), but I believe most of bin Laden's crew are Arabs and other foreigners. I doubt the Afghans would hesitate for a second.

7 posted on 09/30/2001 5:49:59 PM PDT by BurkeanCyclist
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To: GVgirl
I truly doubt that there will be prisoners
8 posted on 09/30/2001 5:51:33 PM PDT by Gone_Postal
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To: GVgirl
I hope our boys understand they are facing religious fanatics that want to die

Actually, it seems that only the disposable low level foot soldiers buy into the "Eternal Paradise" for martyrs promise. If the leaders believed the promises, why aren't they feverishly blowing themselves up?

9 posted on 09/30/2001 5:52:39 PM PDT by fso301
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To: justlurking
"endless round of hostage taking "

I guess you remember all the hijackings of the '70s too. Routinely ended with passengers (those who survived) exchanged for terrorists in western jails.

10 posted on 09/30/2001 5:52:58 PM PDT by walden
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To: GVgirl
I hope our boys understand they are facing religious fanatics that want to die.

Present in every interrogation room: one live, very large, pig.

11 posted on 09/30/2001 5:54:46 PM PDT by aculeus
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I guess time will tell, I believe we are a bit more determined and motivated then the Russians we smell blood and have a vengeance factor.
12 posted on 09/30/2001 5:55:57 PM PDT by boomop1
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true....though I wasn't comparing us to the russians, but the Assgan's willingness to fight. Either way those guys are toast.
13 posted on 09/30/2001 5:58:13 PM PDT by is_is
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To: BurkeanCyclist
Says right in the article that they'll be used for intelligence-gathering purposes. In other words, they want them alive to interrogate them.

What could a prisoner tell them? Their whole organization is set up to operate in independent cells, so that one can't compromise the others.

The only people waiting around are cannon fodder anyway. The people with the documentation and training are long gone, probably with a task list. Do you really think any of the remainder will know what is going on, other than "stop anything that tries to pass you"? Anything they could tell us about the complex can already be seen with night-vision and infrared, anyway -- unless someone insists on going into the tunnels (which I think is pointless).

bin Laden might still be in there, if we are lucky. But, if we just seal up the bunkers and caves and sanitize the area, we won't have to worry about them anymore. By removing that threat, the Taliban loses their last trump card over their citizens and it's all over in Afghanistan except for the shouting. Hopefully, we won't abandon them this time.

14 posted on 09/30/2001 6:02:33 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: is_is
BBQ Baby Back Spare Ribs from "The County Line" - near GW's old home in Austin.

Play some country music, and serve Shiner Bock.

That's the way to make em surrender.

15 posted on 09/30/2001 6:03:47 PM PDT by PokeyJoe
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To: walden
I guess you remember all the hijackings of the '70s too.

Yes, I do. And, there are plenty of other targets besides airliners that can be used in the same way.

Think big and yellow, with red flashing lights.

16 posted on 09/30/2001 6:07:15 PM PDT by justlurking
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I truly doubt that there will be prisoners

LOL wannabet they'll be shot while trying to escape-two in the hat.

17 posted on 09/30/2001 6:11:15 PM PDT by ninonitti
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To: GVgirl
Well, one things I would have to say is that I hope we don't get into a situation like the Mexica (Aztecs) did in Central Mexico with Cortes and his boys in the 1520's. Several years ago I read about Cortes and his men's march to Mexico City. The Mexica were accustomed to fighting wars for the purpose of capture.

In this way, they could subject said captives to the "obsidian blade," cutting their hearts out for their Gods. They would traditionally kill hundreds for this purpose. In fact, part of the tribute they demanded from subsidiary states was in human beings specifically for this purpose.

Anyway, operating under these parameters cost them tens of thousands of men. They simply weren't operating under the same mental framework as the Spanish troops. The Spanish were there to kill and conquer. The Mexica sought, preferably, to capture men for the knife. The Spanish knew that, and acted accordingly.

I'm concerned about a strategy, that if true, that seeks to repeat the Mexica idea of capture being preferable to killing. There's no need, in my estimation, for this kind of thing. As far as I'm concerned, bin Laden and his men made the decision to move this war forward.

I would prefer no killing, but these guys are full fledged fanatics, and I certainly don't want to see American lives lost because of this kind of policy.....

18 posted on 09/30/2001 6:15:13 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: justlurking
That my friend would be immediatly responded to with an all-out nuclear attack on all terrorist supporting states with 98% approval from the American public. It would probably also spell death to many innocent and guilty Arabs in the U.S, and boatloads of armed civilian American men heading for the middle east, including myself.
19 posted on 09/30/2001 6:33:37 PM PDT by glf
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To: Lee Enfield
We should get crop dusters loaded with pigs blood and spray their entire country.
20 posted on 09/30/2001 7:08:27 PM PDT by 4TheTruth
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