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U.N. wrestles with key definition: Who's a terrorist?
The Star ^ | 10/02/01 | AP

Posted on 10/02/2001 5:56:00 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State

U.N. wrestles with key definition: Who's a terrorist?

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - For years, the 189 members of the United Nations have wrangled over a critical question: Who's a terrorist?

The controversy has delayed adoption of a new convention on terrorism that would incorporate key elements from a dozen existing legal instruments, allowing nations to look to one international treaty to fight terrorism.

At the heart of the dispute is the politically charged quagmire that one nation's terrorist is often another's freedom fighter.

But in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, Secretary-General Kofi Annan and a number of member states urged the General Assembly on Monday to come to an agreement and adopt a comprehensive convention.

Diplomats from many nations, including Britain, Algeria, the Netherlands, Mongolia and Burkino Faso, immediately backed his call for the General Assembly to break the definition deadlock.

According to the U.N.'s chief lawyer, Hans Corell, the problem is one of differentiating between terrorism and the right to self-determination and combat foreign occupation.

''I understand the need for legal precision,'' Annan told the opening of a weeklong assembly debate on terrorism.

''But let me say frankly that there is also a need for moral clarity.''

''There can be no acceptance of those who would seek to justify the deliberate taking of innocent civilian life, regardless of cause or grievance. If there is one universal principle that all peoples can agree on, surely it is this,'' he said.

''Even in situations of armed conflict, the targeting of innocent civilians is illegal, as well as morally unacceptable,'' the secretary-general stressed.

Still, he noted, civilians account for an estimated 75 percent of all casualties in conflicts today.

There was unanimous agreement at Monday's assembly that the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were terrorist acts.

''What looks, smells and kills like terrorism is terrorism,'' Britain's U.N. Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock said.

''It uses violence to kill and damage indiscriminately to make a political or cultural point and to influence legitimate governments of public opinion unfairly and amorally.''

The British envoy said the 189 U.N. member states will never reach consensus on actions in wars and armed struggles because of legitimate differences on whether they constitute terrorism.

So he urged all countries to let existing international humanitarian law deal with actions in this gray area.

''Our job now is to confront and eradicate terrorism pure and simple: the use of violence without honor, discrimination or regard for human decency,'' he said.

Nasser Al-Kidwa, the Palestinian U.N. observer, backed Greenstock's idea, saying it could solve the definition problem ''once and for all.''

''Terrorism as we have seen it Sept. 11 is clear. Anything of this sort, which smells, looks and maybe tastes like terrorism is clear,'' Al-Kidwa said.

''Issues of wars, armed conflict, foreign occupation, recognized as such by the international community, by the Security Council - those are governed by international humanitarian law, by Geneva conventions, so it's a different issue.''

Burkina Faso's U.N. Ambassador Michel Kafando noted that when a country's national interest were involved, it seemed a distinction was made between ''good'' and ''bad'' terrorists, and between a ''national struggle'' and a ''terrorist act.''

But he said there can be no compromise in the fight against terrorism.

Mongolia's U.N. Ambassador Jargalsaikhany Enkhsaikhan said ''it is widely recognized that it is the political will that is more needed than negotiating or drafting skills of diplomats and lawyers'' to define terrorism.

Mongolia backs the secretary-general's view that ''there can be no acceptance of those who would seek to justify the deliberate taking of innocent human life, regardless of cause or grievance,'' he said.

Algeria's U.N. Ambassador Abdallah Baali said the comprehensive convention submitted by India was a step toward the global judicial framework needed to fight international terrorism _ and no country should assume ''the moral responsibility'' of hindering its adoption.

The Dutch U.N. Ambassador Dirk Jan van den Berg called on the General Assembly to complete work on the Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism without delay and noted the unresolved question of defining terrorism.

''Much has been said on that score. But 'ground zero' has made it painfully clear that terrorism in its true manifestation defines itself,'' he said.

''There is no cause or grievance that can justify these kind of acts. There is no distinction between good and bad terrorists. There are just terrorists.'' - AP


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There is also a poll on THIS site asking "What should the US response be to the Terror Attacks?"

It is my opinion that if the UN will shrivel up and cease to exist the rest of the world can truely come together with less tyranny and rid itself of terrorism. After all, the UN is the largest source of terrorism that exists.

By the way, has anyone else ever noticed that whenever the UN is in the press the story never states that it is origionating from New York, on United Nations.

1 posted on 10/02/2001 5:56:00 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
The UN couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heal.
2 posted on 10/02/2001 6:00:40 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Enemy Of The State
Anyone against the UN is a terrorist, as far as they are concerned.
3 posted on 10/02/2001 6:05:57 PM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: Enemy Of The State
un=terrorist org.
5 posted on 10/02/2001 6:16:25 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Enemy Of The State
aborticided unborn babies consider the un a terrorist org. too.
6 posted on 10/02/2001 6:17:46 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Enemy Of The State
Is there any evidence the UN even relevant anymore? I noticed on a recent trip through the back roads of Georgia that all the "Jesus Saves" and "Repent the End is Near" signs have been replaced with one saying: "US out of UN"
7 posted on 10/02/2001 6:18:56 PM PDT by dmcnash
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To: Enemy Of The State
According to the U.N.'s chief lawyer, Hans Corell, the problem is one of differentiating between terrorism and the right to self-determination and combat foreign occupation.

Actually, I think the U.N. is right about this. Without some attempt at a defintion, any effort to resist state tyranny could be dubbed terrorism. That would include our own American Revolutionary War heroes, as well as the Irish who fought British occupation in the first part of the twentieth century.

8 posted on 10/02/2001 6:18:57 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Enemy Of The State
''But let me say frankly that there is also a need for moral clarity.''

''There can be no acceptance of those who would seek to justify the deliberate taking of innocent civilian life, regardless of cause or grievance. If there is one universal principle that all peoples can agree on, surely it is this,'' he said.

''Even in situations of armed conflict, the targeting of innocent civilians is illegal, as well as morally unacceptable,'' the secretary-general stressed.

Still, he noted, civilians account for an estimated 75 percent of all casualties in conflicts today.

This shows the morality amongst the UN members. Moral clarity is non-existant!

Get the U.S. OUT of the U.N.

Get the U.N. OUT of the U.S.

10 posted on 10/02/2001 6:21:35 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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"By the way, has anyone else ever noticed that whenever the UN is in the press the story never states that it is originating from New York. . ."

Had not noticed; interesting. . .

. . .can only imagine the 'Justice' of a 'World Court' when UN cannot decide the 'who' and the 'what'. . .of those who commit heinous crimes of terror against one or thousands. . .or. . .

12 posted on 10/02/2001 6:38:20 PM PDT by cricket
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To: UN_list
UN_list: For United Nations articles
13 posted on 10/02/2001 6:53:21 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: JoeEveryman
The UN building is a waste of needed real estate.
14 posted on 10/02/2001 7:00:05 PM PDT by oyez
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
It's always the other guy that's the terrorist.
15 posted on 10/02/2001 7:00:09 PM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Enemy Of The State
I'll give all the lurkers from the UN a hint: if they deliberately kill civilians, they're "terrorists."
16 posted on 10/02/2001 7:02:13 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: JoeEveryman, oyez
The UN building is a waste of needed real estate.

I say we move THEM to Afghanistan and rent the office space to the WTC occupants.

17 posted on 10/02/2001 7:03:25 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: xm177e2
You would think they'd be able to see the SMOKE from where they are in NYC, wouldn't you? That should be a clue for their A$$e$.
18 posted on 10/02/2001 7:04:49 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Enemy Of The State
Who gives a rat's ass what the UN thinks?
19 posted on 10/02/2001 7:05:14 PM PDT by nonliberal
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To: Enemy Of The State
According to the latest UN dictionary:

Terrorist: Any person or nation who opposes the Kyoto protocol and/or UN court; doesn't pay their fair share of UN dues; any nation that has more than 30% of their wealth owned by the richest 1%; any nation that doesn't offer nationalized health care; or any nation that doesn't recognize the marriage of two homosexuals.

20 posted on 10/02/2001 7:13:37 PM PDT by Always Right
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