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Flag burning a guaranteed right of all citizens (Barf Alert)
The Collegiate Time (VTech) ^ | 10/04/2001 | Staff Editorial

Posted on 10/05/2001 9:09:07 AM PDT by NorCoGOP

BLACKSBURG, Va. -- While many across the United States have chosen to show their patriotic support of their country by waving American flags, a few angered citizens have chosen to express their views in a different and more explosive fashion -- burning "Old Glory" in a form of protest.

David Stout, a 49-year-old resident of Noblesville, Ind., has been accused of burning the American flag has been detained by Indiana authorities. Stout is being charged with flag desecration and resisting law enforcement and is being held at the Hamilton County Jail on a $9,000 bond. ("Noblesville Man Arrested, Accused of Burning Flag," TheINDYchannel.com, 10/3)

Stout set an American flag ablaze in an alley behind his house and was harassed by a neighbor who tried to stop him. Stout told his neighbor that it was his flag and he had a right to burn it prompting the neighbor to alert law enforcement authorities.

Police arrived on the scene and took Stout into custody when they found him lying beside a burning flag in his alley. Stout reportedly threw a lighted firecracker at police and struggled with authorities when they tried to detain him.

At his hearing, Stout was ardently protective of his right to burg the American flag. "It's my American flag," he said. "It belongs to me," ("Noblesville Man Arrested, Accused of Burning Flag, TheINDYchannel.com, 10/3)

While flag burning has been twice upheld by the Supreme Court as a form of free speech and thus a right protected under the first amendment, 48 states have laws that prohibit the practice, Indiana included.

In the case of Texas vs. Johnson in 1984, the Supreme Court said that flag burning is a legitimate form of protest. Many states seem to disagree and now may be the time to enforce the ruling of this country's highest court.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the First Amendment, which gives citizens the right to exercise free speech, includes burning the banner of the United States in a form of orderly demonstration. In this time of suffering and loss, flag burning can make a very powerful statement, so powerful it may make some forget that it's a guaranteed right. Witnessing the symbol of the country be consumed in flames can elicit many emotions and is one of the ultimate forms of expression.

Even in times of uncertainty and turmoil, authorities should not be allowed to ignore the rights of individuals in this country. We should all remember exactly why we live in a democracy and why it deserves to be protected. We should be doing all we can as citizens of a free country to insure that our rights are not denied because of times of crisis.

All Americans should enjoy the freedoms guaranteed them by the constitution, and understand that those freedoms allow for unpopular views to be expressed.

While Stout was wrong in resisting his arrest and struggling with police, he was not unlawful in burning his flag and Indiana authorities should have respected his rights.


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1 posted on 10/05/2001 9:09:07 AM PDT by NorCoGOP
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To: NorCoGOP
OK Maybe so but why can these people not be charged with burning without a permit!
2 posted on 10/05/2001 9:12:12 AM PDT by roylene
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To: NorCoGOP
I guess you also have the 'right' to wave a red flag in front of a bull, but you really can't expect the bull to 'respect' that right.

With that in mind, Just don't nodody burn a flag around Chookter. He will lose his mind and you will get hurt and he will have to make bail.

3 posted on 10/05/2001 9:14:43 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: NorCoGOP
Unless he violated a fire or pollution ordinance, he should have a right to burn whatever property of his that he wants..
4 posted on 10/05/2001 9:15:34 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: NorCoGOP
I understand why the libertarians have such a hard time on this board.
5 posted on 10/05/2001 9:16:57 AM PDT by WriteOn
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To: NorCoGOP
So anyhow, I did a search on the Constitution. I looked for "burning flag" nothing, "church and state" nothing, "bear arms" WHOA!!!!! there it is.
6 posted on 10/05/2001 9:18:29 AM PDT by ABC123
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To: NorCoGOP
In that case none of these types will mind if I pee on their legs while they burn the flag.

After all based on their arguement I'd only be exercising my first amendment rights since this would be, what I feel is, my best form of protest.

7 posted on 10/05/2001 9:18:59 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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If someone chooses to burn his or her own property, as long as the burning doesn't cause harm to other persons or property, then they have the right to burn it... NO MATTER WHAT IT IS!!!

It is astounding that there are those who think burning a symbol is punishable by arrest and incarceration...

What the hell kind of country is this???

When dissent is eliminated... Guess what is next....

8 posted on 10/05/2001 9:21:27 AM PDT by Ferris
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To: NorCoGOP
While flag-burning might be a constitutionally protected right, in addition to expressing the flag-burner's anger, it also says something about his or her lack of character and perspective. In my view, it marks the person as being a whiny crybaby who does not have the patience or wisdom to engage in the kinds of social/political transactions that actually get things done. The only change in public policy that flag-burning has ever achieved was to cause the Supreme Court to uphold it as a right. It has in no way and at no time ever influenced the direction of any social or political debate in the direction of the flag-burner's views. In fact, it has the always had the opposite effect of further polarizing opinion and alienating those whom the flag-burners would seek to bring to their way of thinking.

There are certainly more constructive ways of protesting and/or changing that which one is angry about.

9 posted on 10/05/2001 9:21:28 AM PDT by Chris Smith
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To: NorCoGOP
Is someone going to drop a plane on this Communist?
10 posted on 10/05/2001 9:23:33 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: NorCoGOP
Witnessing the symbol of the country be consumed in flames can elicit many emotions and is one of the ultimate forms of expression.

Flag burning is a cowardly attack against those who support American traditions. Rather than deal with those individuals directly, America haters prefer to attack a sacred symbol which cannot defend itself, in such a way as to enrage others.

If flag burning is to be protected free speech then it should be performed in private. If done in public then those responsible should be jailed for inciting a riot and reckless endangerment.

11 posted on 10/05/2001 9:25:59 AM PDT by Ceebass
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To: NorCoGOP
People have a right to burn the flag(on their own property). The LAW shouldn't step in there.

However, I have no problem at all when a flag burner gets the #@%^ kicked out of him.

12 posted on 10/05/2001 9:26:40 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: NorCoGOP
How's about burning communists/socialists? This should be guaranteed too if they are going to let scum deface our flag!!
13 posted on 10/05/2001 9:29:23 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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To: NorCoGOP
Just kick the jerks a@@. When arrested insist on a jury trial. Good luck getting a conviction.
14 posted on 10/05/2001 9:33:39 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: Ceebass
America haters prefer to attack a sacred symbol which cannot defend itself, in such a way as to enrage others

I think you've hit on something that this guy can be charged with. Most states have laws against the use of "fighting words" to incite people to violence. The SC has never ruled that such language used in public is protected under the 1st. Its kinda like states which have personalized license plates; certain words and phrases are simply not allowed. To me, flag burning constitutes fighting words.

15 posted on 10/05/2001 9:38:48 AM PDT by 45Auto
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To: NorCoGOP
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't burning the flag the correct way to dispose of it out of respect?

I seem to remember this from my Boyscout days. For example if it touches the ground or is torn...I think the words of the code were something like... "when a flag has served its useful purpose, it should be destroyed, preferably by burning."

I'm not defending these creeps though just trying to clarify something from my past.

16 posted on 10/05/2001 9:39:49 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Kozak
I agree. It's time to take this country back. Ask for a jury trial and watch the liberals squirm.
17 posted on 10/05/2001 9:43:00 AM PDT by okie_tech
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To: NorCoGOP
The flag burning issue is being brought up by the left to divide the country. resist rising to the bait.
18 posted on 10/05/2001 9:43:36 AM PDT by Rustynailww
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To: Constitutional Patriot
Are you having trouble lighting that flag? Here's a bucket of gasoline on you to help out.
19 posted on 10/05/2001 9:45:17 AM PDT by okie_tech
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Had the SCOTUS allowed the Dems to count the ballots until Algore "won" the election, I'd have at least flown the flag upside down, maybe even burned it. (I suspect I'd have to go buy a cotton one, first; nylon would make a mess and/or stink ;-). It's my right. It's one of the rights protected by the First Amendment.

Flag-burning bans are for dictatorships, totalitarian regimes, and the like. In the U.S., freedom of speech lets people demonstrate their views, in part so that the rest of us can better know who the goofballs are.

MY U.S.A. doesn't need no steenkin' flag-burning ban to be the greatest nation on earth. We are bigger than our flag. If or when this nation ceases to be the greatest, I reserve the right to burn its flag.

20 posted on 10/05/2001 9:54:50 AM PDT by newgeezer
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