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New book lifts covers on Hitler's "gay friendships"
reuters.co.il ^ | 05 OCT 2001 | Emma Thomasson

Posted on 10/05/2001 1:36:59 PM PDT by CommiesOut

New book lifts covers on Hitler's "gay friendships"  

    BERLIN, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Adolf Hitler had numerous 
homoerotic friendships in the 1920s and the dictator's later 
life can only be understood by taking into account his gay 
preferences, a German historian said on Friday. 
    In a book to be launched at next week's Frankfurt book fair, 
Lothar Machtan, Modern History Professor at Bremen University, 
hopes to shed new light on old speculation that the Nazi leader 
was a closet homosexual. 
    "Adolf Hitler was fond of men. He had a homosexual nature," 
Machtan told Die Welt daily in an interview due for publication 
on Saturday. "This seems at first quite trivial. But it is a 
detail that helps us to see his biography from another angle." 
    Machtan, author of "Hitler's secret -- the double life of a 
dictator", said the subject had been taboo among historians, 
partly because examining Hitler's private life might be seen as 
a step towards humanising him and excusing his crimes. 
    Machtan said there was also no irrefutable proof that Hitler 
was gay. 
    "The job of the historian is to examine the facts and put 
them together in a plausible way. From them comes indicative 
evidence that Hitler was fixated on his own sex his whole life, 
but a mistake in that can never be ruled out," he said. 
    "One must be very careful with the expression 'homosexual 
activities' because we do not know how Hitler lived them out. We 
can say that until the late 20s Hitler had a range of homoerotic 
friendships. Many of them were characterised by contemporaries 
as homosexual," he said. 
    Machtan said that from 1930 Hitler felt that his past could 
be used against him and this was behind his decision in 1934 to 
have killed many former gay friends from his time in Munich, 
including Ernst Roehm, the leader of his stormtroopers. 
    Tens of thousands of German gays later perished in 
concentration camps at the hands of the Nazis. 
    Machtan said he did not believe that Hitler's homosexuality 
had anything to do with his decision to murder Europe's Jews, 
although he said there was evidence that time spent living a gay 
lifestyle in Vienna had helped fuel his anti-Semitism. 
    Hitler suffered from prejudice against homosexuals but also 
benefited from his experiences in male societies in Munich where 
he learned to manipulate a kind of erotic charisma, he said. 
    "This kind of self stage-managing was completely new in 
those days. It was existential acting," Machtan said. "It 
initiated his career in the homosocial milieu of the men's 
associations and later on the stage of great politics." 
    ((Emma Thomasson, Berlin newsroom +49 30 2888 5142; fax: +49 
30 2888 5008)) 
 
05 OCT 2001 19:22:51


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1 posted on 10/05/2001 1:37:00 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: madrussian, Zviadist, Carry_Okie
Hm... Even gays are potential anti-semites.
2 posted on 10/05/2001 1:38:10 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
Hitler suffered from prejudice against homosexuals but also benefited from his experiences in male societies in Munich where he learned to manipulate a kind of erotic charisma, he said.

"This kind of self stage-managing was completely new in those days. It was existential acting," Machtan said. "It initiated his career in the homosocial milieu of the men's associations and later on the stage of great politics."

"MANdingo"?

3 posted on 10/05/2001 1:40:29 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: CommiesOut
I can't wait for "Stalin in Drag", "The Queens of the Killing Fields", "What is in my Butt, Hooooo Chi Min.
4 posted on 10/05/2001 1:41:38 PM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: CommiesOut
I wonder how long this thread has before the pro-homo cheerleaders whack the abuse button?
5 posted on 10/05/2001 1:41:45 PM PDT by FormerLib
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To: CommiesOut
Any word on Marx, Lenin, Ingels, Trotsky, Stalin, Pol Pot, Lamumba?
6 posted on 10/05/2001 1:42:21 PM PDT by Deb
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To: CommiesOut
I thought Mel Brooks figured this out in "The Producers" ?
7 posted on 10/05/2001 1:42:58 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: FormerLib
Wow, a decorated war hero, vegetarian, some said he was married, some say he was a jew, and some say he was catholic.
8 posted on 10/05/2001 1:43:11 PM PDT by AMMON-CENTRIST
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To: CommiesOut
Interesting when read in the context of the earlier thread about queens in the Taleban.
9 posted on 10/05/2001 1:43:22 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: CommiesOut
There is little doubt Hitler was a pervert - recent research also indicates that Hitler had masochistic tendencies. Some have suggested that Eva Braun was the sadist in the relationship as well.

However I tend to think he had very little in terms of sexual impulse - everything I've read about the man, in particular Professor Ian Kershaw's excellent biographies - indicate that he had plenty of hatred, but apart from that was a dry and boring individual.

Ivan
10 posted on 10/05/2001 1:43:43 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: CommiesOut
Is there any historical figure left that some author or another HASN'T called gay?
11 posted on 10/05/2001 1:44:26 PM PDT by OWK
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To: CommiesOut
The "woman" in the dress ("Roger, that building is YOU!") later appears onstage as Hitler in "Springtime for Hitler: A Gay Romp With Adolf and Eva at Berchtesgaden."

I'll try to find another photo of Gary Beach in his Hitler outfit.

12 posted on 10/05/2001 1:45:07 PM PDT by Silly
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To: CommiesOut
Figures
13 posted on 10/05/2001 1:45:15 PM PDT by jaybeauregard
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To: CommiesOut
hitler, the original homo activist?
14 posted on 10/05/2001 1:45:31 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: CommiesOut, samaritan, RCW2001, USGrant, cachelot, vrwc54, dubya_wins_again
I have always had a theory that Nazis, neo-Nazis and antisemites were disturbed, seriously disturbed, and of dubious sexuality. Makes them lash out in irrational ways.

Guilt = anger/hostility.

15 posted on 10/05/2001 1:46:06 PM PDT by veronica
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To: Anonymous2
Couldn't resist a man in uniform.
16 posted on 10/05/2001 1:47:21 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: CommiesOut
See Exploding the Myth of the "Pink Triangle" for a more in-depth look at homosexuality and the rise of German fascism.

I also find it odd to see the parallels between the German practices in homosexuality as an exercise in power and domination and those that have been reported regarding the radical Islamifascists and their practices. In both cases, sexual behavior is seen almost exclusivily as an imposition of power over their partner/victim and is shown in the overall disdain for their submissive counterparts.

17 posted on 10/05/2001 1:47:21 PM PDT by kevkrom
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To: OWK
No. But this may explain why Gore Vidal is such a bitch.
18 posted on 10/05/2001 1:50:31 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: CommiesOut
I saw this and read "Hillary's gay friendships" - I've been spending too d@mn much time on this board. :-)
19 posted on 10/05/2001 1:51:01 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: clintonh8r
now we know how they seperated the men from the boys in the vaunted ss. crowbars.
20 posted on 10/05/2001 1:51:19 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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