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Russians Admit Testing F-117 Lost in Yugoslavia
aviationweek/aviationnow.com ^ | oct-5-2001 | By David A. Fulghum and Robert Wall/Aviation Week & Space Technology

Posted on 10/05/2001 2:12:59 PM PDT by green team 1999

AvWeek: Russians Admit Testing F-117 Lost in Yugoslavia



By David A. Fulghum and Robert Wall/Aviation Week & Space Technology

05-Oct-2001 2:36 PM U.S. EDT

MOSCOW and ZHUKOVSKY, RUSSIA -- Russian officials admit for the first time they are using remains from the U.S. Air Force stealth fighter shot down over Yugoslavia to improve the ability of their air defense systems to detect and kill stealth aircraft.

Also as part of the effort, designers say a small number of Russian tactical aircraft have been upgraded with locally produced, low-observable modifications to further test and improve their surface-to-air missile (SAM) designs.

Acknowledging that researchers had access to the remains of the F-117 strike aircraft shot down in 1999 during the Kosovo air campaign, a senior Russian aerospace official said, "Yes, of course. We've been able to test our system against the broken pieces."

BUT THE FIND IS PROVING somewhat less than a Rosetta stone to unlocking the secret of targeting stealthy aircraft. Because only sections of the F-117 survived intact, "we haven't been able to model the entire [low-observable bomber]," the official conceded. "It's not the same as testing against an undamaged F-117. You provide us with a complete stealth aircraft and then we'll tell you how effective we are against it."

One of the problems engineers face with having the F-117 parts is that they can't accurately determine how radar energy is dissipated over the entire aircraft.

Furthermore, the faceted stealth design of the F-117 won't necessarily provide many clues to how best to defeat the stealth designs on the B-2 or the F-22. These aircraft use different materials and handle radar energy differently.

Even so, the F-117 analysis represents only a portion of Russia's antistealth efforts. Experts also have been pursuing other ways to fine-tune their air defense missile systems to stop attacks by small stealthy cruise missiles (a problem that also has riveted U.S. researchers and military planners) and stealth aircraft.

A second prominent Russian expert said that his project development team can now locate low-signature targets at something near 60 mi., a range great enough to be "tactically useful." That would indicate that the new generation of air defense missiles could defend high-value sites against cruise missiles and long-range weapons, but not against stealth aircraft launching long-range stand-off missiles.

Although Russia hasn't fielded a full-up, stealth aircraft that could be used in tests of its improved air-to-air and ground-launched air defense missile systems, industry officials said the Russian air force has modified and significantly decreased the radar cross section of at least two tactical aircraft. The "special aircraft" with reduced radar reflectivity have been made available for the aerospace industry's stealth and antistealth development programs.

Researchers have been testing several components of their air defense systems against those secret test assets, including the radio-frequency seekers on surface-to-air missiles and proximity fuzes. Similar tests are being run against the F-117's components. Data from both is then fed into huge databanks to be used in simulations of stealth targets. Using the flying test beds, developers say they have been able to detect reduced signature aircraft. The test data are being used to produce improved sensors with increased detection ranges.

However, there is a major obstacle to accelerating development of defense against stealth aircraft and missiles. "We have to simulate engagements against stealth [vehicles]," the first official said. "Using a real stealth target and destroying it is too expensive. We are doing flying tests [against the modified fighters], but we not doing firing testing."

Another limitation the researchers are encountering is that the test aircraft can only fly at subsonic speeds.

While that performance is adequate to be able to assess an air-defense system's performance against an F-117 or B-2, it won't suffice for the more modern stealth aircraft, such as the F-22, which can fly at more than Mach 2.

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many freepers were right when the downing of the F-117 in kozovo will end up in russia.
1 posted on 10/05/2001 2:12:59 PM PDT by green team 1999
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To: green team 1999
BUT THE FIND IS PROVING somewhat less than a Rosetta stone to unlocking the secret of targeting stealthy aircraft. Because only sections of the F-117 survived intact, "we haven't been able to model the entire [low-observable bomber]," the official conceded. "It's not the same as testing against an undamaged F-117. You provide us with a complete stealth aircraft and then we'll tell you how effective we are against it."

IT'S A DEAL! </kidding>

2 posted on 10/05/2001 2:15:39 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: green team 1999
F.You CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was his little present to eastern europe and all of his Commie friends.
3 posted on 10/05/2001 2:17:27 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: cmsgop
Agreed. It should have been bombed into powder.
4 posted on 10/05/2001 2:22:38 PM PDT by null and void
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To: All
As I don't plan on going to war with Russia anytime soon, I'm more worried about the pieces of the F-117 that the ChiComs took while they were cooperating with the Serbs, as well as any research handed over by the Russians to the ChiComs and what was passed to North Korea by the Russians and/or the ChiComs.
5 posted on 10/05/2001 2:24:06 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: green team 1999
Makes one wonder who 86'ed the air strike to destroy the wreckage. Comrade Klinton perhaps?

The Myth of Stealth

6 posted on 10/05/2001 2:24:57 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: green team 1999
didn't a shotgun bring it down. Hey buy more shotguns, russia!
7 posted on 10/05/2001 2:26:53 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: green team 1999
We should have put an arclight/rolling thunder drop right over it or sent in big bertha on a C-130 but then this was Bill Clintoooon.
8 posted on 10/05/2001 2:30:23 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: xm177e2
Let's see, that an order for 1 whole F-117 to go, hold the pilot. You got it. Would you like fries with that?
9 posted on 10/05/2001 2:31:10 PM PDT by Ranger
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To: American Soldier
this is the pieces of the wreck,and the russians have it,not the chinese.
10 posted on 10/05/2001 2:31:14 PM PDT by green team 1999
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To: green team 1999
We didn't bomb this thing into tiny pieces???? You gotta be kidding me.
11 posted on 10/05/2001 2:31:49 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: cmsgop
F.You CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen to that.
12 posted on 10/05/2001 2:33:29 PM PDT by VOA
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To: CJ Wolf
Why wouldn't they try to examine it? Get real. 100 times worse is our boys not ditching the spy plane but landing it in China, the very target of the surveillance. This still totally amazes me. Worse was Bush's loudmouthing about how it was unfair for the Chinese to keep it--the world stood amazed and laughing. Compare our civilians who took out the airliner the terrorists were planning to crash into D.C. Those were real heroes.
13 posted on 10/05/2001 2:34:54 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: green team 1999
Now there was one good reason to send in some special ops on the ground: to recover our downed stealth fighter.
14 posted on 10/05/2001 2:36:18 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: Straight Vermonter
if the russians have the skin,then they might have the engine,even if engine partially destroyed still can be reverse enginered.
15 posted on 10/05/2001 2:37:21 PM PDT by green team 1999
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To: VOA ; cmsgop
That's what I said the night the F-117 went down . I asked why we weren't sending a cruise missile to destroy the remains. Another treachery that X-42 has to answer for.
16 posted on 10/05/2001 2:38:27 PM PDT by exit82
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To: F-117A; Balkans; oxi-nato; fusion; kate22; Balto_boy; crazykatz
Hey F-117A

Looks like the Ruskies got ya! :-)

17 posted on 10/05/2001 2:42:12 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: green team 1999
How old is this technology....We have technology the world has yet to see, and thanks to 'slick', this technology is now outdated. Once again, the Commies thank you, Billy.
18 posted on 10/05/2001 2:42:19 PM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: green team 1999
SON OF A B%#*H!!! Clinton...you're a dirtbag.
19 posted on 10/05/2001 2:42:49 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: exit82
That's what I said the night the F-117 went down .

Same here.
I was screaming at my computer and typing onto freerepublic.com "Why the h-ll
are we not seeing this downed plane erupt in a fireball...live on Yugo-TV?"

Probably because the country and our military was being run by wayward juveniles at the time.
20 posted on 10/05/2001 2:45:29 PM PDT by VOA
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