Do not be fooled by Bush's b.s. about Islam being a good religion. It is a religion of hate, of hell.

Obviously, so is formatting.

Ouch!

: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers

Mohammed always was a lousy speller.

smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

You would think the smiting above the neck would do the trick. Is the fingertip thing some sort of religious degradation after the fact?

This is extremely hard to read without formatting which is why I have stopped reading the article and am posting this.

If you look towards the bottom of the posting site, it will tell you basic formatting. Please use it.

I will spare you the equally horrific, hateful verses of the Holy Bible.

I know Muslims- this is indeed a peaceful religion, as is most religions of the world.

I will spare you the equally horrific, hateful verses of the Holy Bible.

how considerate of you

You have time to post, you have time to format. It really isn't that hard. And, no need for calling people names -- reading a big block of gray can be tasking.

For all who wish a crash course in Islam, it would be noteworthy to remember that in 1998, when Osama Bin Laden issued the order "Kill Americans", he chose the most disparaging term in the devout Muslim's vocabulary to describe his American and other foes, and went back hundreds of years to find it: Crusaders

President Bush did not initiate the term in the current context, but his backing off in deference was a serious error.

The above reminder is from:

JIHAD in The West Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries, by Paul Fregosi, Prometheus Books, 1998.

A recommended great read, and a painfully condensed rare book of non-existent discussion about the Arab/Muslem version of the Crusades. They were just resting, not gone away.

Sorry, but I just cut and paste. I have no time to format just for you, you jackass

You wouldn't be formatting just for one poster, but all of us....which I suppose makes us all jackasses.

Formatting is not only a courtesy, but the HTML acceptable approach to posting anything, anywhere, of length, on the internet.

I will spare you the equally horrific, hateful verses of the Holy Bible.

I don't know the context of these verses from Islam, but I do know that the violent verses from the Holy Bible are history lessons from the Old Testament. Do you know the context of these verses in Islam? Are they ancient history, or still commandments to be followed today?

"This is Islam. This is not a religion one should embrace."

you can say that again...

STRIKE THE HEADS AND EVERY FINGERTIP OF THE UNBELIEVERS 008.012 YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. [http://www.hraic.org/quran/2.html

[NOTE; This copy of the Koran offers three different translations] 8: 13. When thy Lord revealed to the angels, saying, `I am with you; so make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Smite them above their necks, and smite off all finger-tips.' 8: 14. That is because they have opposed ALLAH and HIS Messenger. And whoso opposes ALLAH and HIS Messenger, Then ALLAH is surely Severe in retribution. [The Holy Quran, translated by Maulvi Sher Ali,

http://www.concordance.com/cgi-bin/2wrdr.pl] 47: 5. And when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks; and, when you have overcome them, by causing great slaughter among them, bind fast the fetters - then afterwards either release them as a favour or by taking ransom - until the war lays down its burdens. That is the ordinance. And if ALLAH had so pleased, HE could have punished them Himself, but HE has willed that HE may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of ALLAH - HE will never render their works vain. [Ibid.]

KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM 002.191 YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. SHAKIR: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

[http://www.hraic.org/quran/2.html

[NOTE; This copy of the Koran offers three different translations] CONVERSION BY THE SWORD - REPENT OR DIE 009.005 YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [Emphasis added] [http://www.hraic.org/quran/2.html

[NOTE; This copy of the Koran offers three different translations] WAR AGAINST CHRISTIANS "Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to God be averse from it." (Sura 9:29-33).

Also translated thusly: 9: 29. Fight those from among the people of the Book, who believe not in ALLAH, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what ALLAH and HIS Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering it a favour and acknowledge their subjection. 9: 30. And the Jews say, `Ezra is the son of ALLAH,' and the Christians say, `the Messiah is the son of ALLAH;' that is what they say with their mouths. They only imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them. ALLAH's curse be on them ! How they are turned away.

http://www.concordance.com/cgi-bin/1wrdr.pl]

"Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him." (Sura 9:124). "O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!" (Sura 66:9). These above are the words of the Koran. THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST -- HOW TO TREAT AN ENEMY "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." [Matthew 5:43-44; Emphasis added]

These instructions to love is one reason Jesus' message is called the Good News, i.e., the Gospel.

I know Muslims- this is indeed a peaceful religion, as is most religions of the world.

As I'm sure non-moslims in Mindanao, Timor, Sudan, Kosovo, Algeria, etc. etc. etc. can attest...

Who ya gonna believe, Lunatic Fringe or your lyin' eyes.

I will spare you the equally horrific, hateful verses of the Holy Bible.


Please do, but make sure that you also supply the correct context and era those were made. you'll only further make the point of Islam being truly a religion of hatred and intolerance. If you truly read the bible IN context like you should any book you will see those hateful verses were made over TWO THOUSAND years ago.

The very thought of self rightious people demanding that their point of view is the only one sickens me. This includes fanatic followers of Islam, Jews and , yes Christians! It is social-political and historical situations (and audiance hungry thirty 30 second selctive media images)that pursuade a small, but loud and dangerous, minority of fanatics to bring shame upon the world. I'm neither a Muslim, nor a Christian and I have no need to dislike either based on their holy books. Christianity has had at times sorry past, as yes present, of blood and intolerance and to deny this is, is to hide one's face in the sand. I appreciate our Presidents words and I believe what he says!

How tolerant is Islam?