If this was posted earlier, I apologize in advance..

Another great piece on Bellesiles in the current edition of National Review (October 15, 2001) in the special section, "Nutty Professors":

Disarming America by Melissa Seckora
A prize-winning historian and his gun myths.

Screw everyone who thinks the govt gives me the right to own firearms. Screw everyone who thinks the govt doesnt give me the right to own firearms. Protecting yourself is an instinct and you choose to protect yourself in the best manner you can. The 2nd Amendment doesnt give you the right to own firearms,it states that right shall not be infringed

bang

"Carl Bogus, who reviewed the book for The American Prospect, is a longtime gun-control activist"

His name is so appropriate.

"But this raises an interesting question about the claim that mainstream, traditional media organizations always make in defense of their importance: that they are careful and responsible, while alternative media and the Internet are not. The Internet, they tell us, is a domain of hype and hoaxes, while traditional media can be trusted to check things out and get them right."

Duuuuhhh! LOL! It drives me nuts to see the liberal press (even Fox) suddenly wake up from their stupor and act surprised!

"It appears, however, that the Internet is sometimes harder to fool than the establishment."

The Interenet is always harder to fool than the establishment.

"Carl Bogus . . . is a longtime gun-control activist."

OK, that's just to easy.

I must have been fooling around with my post when your post came up. Anyway, "great minds", and all.

What explanation Bellesiles will offer is unclear

"The dog ate my evidence."

to=too

Actually the "dog" story is not far from the truth.

He claims that all of his evidence was lost during a flood in his office!

those ignorant yahoos on the Internet

That's us. < /sarcasm>

Even if the 2nd amendment is interpreted as the anti-gun shills say, that firearms are conditioned on the membership of a government controlled "militia" and the militia is not the general citizentry, that would mean the the 9th amendment would acknowledge the right, as self-defense in included therein, and the 10th amendment would acknowledge the Power to utilize them against usurpers of the sovereign body of the people.

And even if none of the amendments acknowledge that right, We, the People, with firearms and amunition running out of our ears, will just make that right when we feel like it.

This "controversy" over the two clauses of the 2nd Amendment is is based on ignorance and dipped in bullshit. Both clauses mean exactly the same thing, either each standing alone or both together.

The first clause is about the militia, which is all the males between, generally, 18 and 50, and, since the 19th amendment, presumably all females 18 to 50. So, this clause means the people. The second clause needs no explanation.

The book was enthusiastically received and celebrated by the media establishment, who welcomed it with rave reviews and awards

You don't suppose that this is why he wrote this book.
I'm assumeing that he knows better(ya ok I know I'm just a little dumb and naive)

amateur scholars were posting long critiques of Bellesiles’ work

Even this article shows some bias. I'm sure this is referring to Clayton Cramer's very scholarly, heavily footnoted, reviews of Arming America. See them here, about halfway down the page. Cramer was criticizing Bellesiles back when the book was just an article in the referred Journal of American History, and was ignored by the history establishment there.

They are far from amateurish.

I posted to Front Page but it looks like post has disappeared.. As an aside I can load a muzzleloader 4 times in less than 60 seconds and hit all 4 shots in the 6 ring at 40 yds... club record....

No suprise here. The liberal lies as a matter of course.

Hard truth #106. The liberal end of bigger government justifies any means - including lies, deception, corruption, and violence.

Hard truth #81. Liberals view humans as monetary objects without moral motivation (welfare, etc.) , but view inaminate objects (guns, profits, etc.) in exclusively moral terms.

Hard truth #19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore despised by the liberal.

140 Hard Truths About Liberals

Sorry about the post-and-run of this yesterday, I was running late for work..

In short...

Cincinatus--Agreed. South Dakota--I'm with ya! Eugene Tackleberry--Yeah..TOO funny! However, I STILL love FOXNEWS (dothedhuedothedhuedothedhuedothedhuedothedhuedothedhuedothedhuedothedhue). bvw--Yep! Freemyland--Don't have to reach TOO far for THAT one! steve-b--Good pooch. Tijeras_Slim-- LOL. Valin--The "Media Establishment" is about as trustworthy as Feinstain. FreedomPoster--Fox still has to maintain their "Fair and Balanced" even if the other side is full of poo-poo. We know better, though. BallandPowder-- Excellent shooting! moyden-- So right, pal!

DAMN! Now I gotta get to work again!