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Specter: No Response From Ashcroft --Justice Mum on Iraq-McVeigh Link
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/774223/posts

Court ponders fees, delays in Nichols trial
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/774548/posts

Attorney: Nichols Case To Take Three More Years --Asks Court For Dismissal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/772387/posts

Also, here is a good prayer for those of you who are Christian.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/774136/posts

Don't forget this one, please. There are starting to be too many to keep up. Perhaps this is good.

Stephen Jones Speaks to CBN -- Oklahoma City Cover-Up: The Iraq Connection

"Neil Rogers is just a bitter, old, gay man. He's worth ignoring.

This is the most sensible comment on the thread. A has-been who can't deal with the fact Bush is the president.

Simple payback for all his years of whining and griping about conservatives.

All of this stems from the fact that Gore refused to kiss Oprah on the show in 2000, while Bush did. It's that "tolerance" thing, don't you know.

Me too. Still,if Drudge has condescended to cover it, maybe something is up.

Continually suprised by all the freepers who aren't familiar with this story.

If you'd like to be added to the ping list on this subject, please freepmail me --don't post, freepmail. Thanks.

"News - "the Bush Justice Department has apparently, finally begun to take a serious interest in Ms. Davis' evidence."

This is b.s. The Bush Administration has been well aware of what happened re: the OKC bombing at least since March, when Danny Defenbaugh was unceremoniously dumped from his job, along with the rest of the FBI officials involved in the OKC Bombing.

I am told the Philadelphia Inquirer is planning to run a story Sunday upending Jayna's facts, and that former FBI officials will be quoted.

I suggest a general flame. It has to take place tomorrow, since the weekend papers have early deadlines.

No cuss words, just serious concern, together with lots and lots and lots of links.

Sign your real name, and tell them where you live, and why you are worried about this and cannot accept anymore government/media hogwash,and how the rest of the country won't either, given the current situation in regard to terrorism.

Tell them they will have blood on their hands if they don't take the time to check their facts and simply take the word of government officials without further investigation.

Tell them they first and foremost have a responsibility to tell the truth, and that, no matter what the editors may think of Arlen Specter, he is still a U.S. Senator and should be scrutinized as such, not as a lunatic of sorts, despite the single bullet, despite Ira Einhorn, etc. etc.etc.

Again, he has managed to get re-elected to the Senate for more than 20 years, so that must count for something.

Do it. Write.

Even if it's only two sentences, it will count for something. There is strength in numbers, when it comes to the media.

Also --if there's anybody on the ping list or out there in cyberland (and I know there is, without anyone telling me anything) who has details to share about this but has not shared them with the rest of us, please consider calling the Philadelphia Inquirer and telling them, and furnishing them with whatever evidence you can.Remember that is a media organization, not a government organization (yet) and they sometimes are willing to list people as unidentified sources.

Inquirer Main Switchboard
215-854-2000

EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THE INQUIRER'S EDITORS:

(So a real person in charge will read your letters)

Editor Chris Hepp
chepp@phillynews.com

Editor Deirdre Childress
dchildress@phillynews.com

Assistant City Editor Francisco Delgado
fdelgado@phillynews.com

Assistant City Editor Conrad Grove
cgrove@phillynews.com

Send it to all of them, and more if you like.

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Easy to misunderstand. The night it happened there was some confusion on the threads as well, because of the earlier vote.

Specter voted yes on the resolution to use force against Iraq. He voted "no" on the measure to stop discussion of the subject before the vote, which would support the inference there were more issues to be discussed.

What exactly is a footmarker? Are they those mini-headstones placed at the "foot" of a grave?

I'm just curious as to why you are so concerned about this.

My father was a WWII vet, and regaled us continuosly with stories of his wartime adventures, although he never saw combat, and was always up-front about that. He was in the Army-Airforce, and wanted to be a pilot, but didn't pass all the tests.

When he died the funeral home wanted certain documentation for a full-scale military style funeral (flag over the casket in the church)..which we could not produce. But we did come up with some of the documents, and a folded flag was displayed inside his casket at the wake.

I think my father would have been satisfied with what we accomplished.

I think the important question to ask is whether or not your husband is satisfied with the manner in which his father was/is interred. Why don't you ask him? That's the real question here, isn't it?

It really isn't your responsibility to fly the flag at his dad's grave, although it is nice that you do. Same goes for the foot marker, too, it seems to me.

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Her daughter, who was in her 30s, died of a heart attack back around 1993. The daughter was overweight and had a history of substance abuse, I think, can't remember whether it was drugs or alcohol.

From the Tribune-Review.

A large contingent of city police officers, using dogs and a helicopter, were searching Tuesday night for the gunman who shot and slightly wounded a youth football league player during practice on the field at McKinley Park in Beltzhoover and Knoxville.

Pittsburgh police Chief Robert W. McNeilly Jr. said police believe the shots were fired from the wooded hillside overlooking the field.

"He appeared to have been shot by a BB or pellet gun or possibly a (small-caliber) firearm," McNeilly said.

The 9-year-old victim was admitted to Children's Hospital in Oakland in fair condition with what a spokesman described as an "abrasion" wound of the lower hip and abdomen area. He was to be kept overnight for observation.

Police did not identify the victim, but witnesses said he was Chris Bradley-Bey, a student at Beltzhoover Elementary school.

McNeilly said the projectile caused a flesh wound but did not penetrate. Other investigators said the boy was hit in an area guarded by hip pads, which probably prevented more serious injury.

The shooting occurred about 7:30 p.m. as the youth and some of his teammates were standing on the sidelines near the 15-yard line of the field located off Bausman Street, McNeilly said.

McNeilly admitted that the sniper shootings in Washington, D.C., have law enforcement authorities concerned about a possible copycat, but said there is probably a less sinister explanation for the shooting.

"We believe there were some young kids in the woods, target shooting," McNeilly said.

Nevertheless, officers from a number of neighborhoods converged on the area to set up a perimeter and begin searching the woods, McNeilly said.

State police, as well as Allegheny County Sheriff's Deputies and Port Authority of Allegheny County police officers also were seen in the area. A television news helicopter was asked to aid in the search.

"When you have a young man shot while practicing football, that concerns us," said McNeilly in explaining the heavy police presence.

More than two dozen players from the undefeated Beltzhoover Browns youth football team were practicing for Saturday's playoff game against Hazelwood when the shooting occurred.

Because the area is known for youths setting off firecrackers and taking target practice in the woods, many parents and youngsters at practice initially believed they heard firecrackers going off, McNeilly said.

Then they saw the blood on the boy's uniform.

"All I heard was the coach yelling for everybody to get off the field," one player said. "I was the first one running. I was scared."

"I'm real scared. I think it could happen to me," he said. "I'm thinking about not going back to practice (today)."

The player also said he saw the victim lying on the ground after the shooting, screaming: "Could somebody please call the ambulance!"

Harold Lewis, who coaches another team in the youth football organization, said, "as I drove up, I saw all the kids hiding behind one of the coaches' truck, and all the coaches were administering first aid to the boy who was shot. There was blood in his groin area.

"I hustled my son into my car. It's funny, my wife and I were talking that we have family coming up from Washington, D.C., for a visit," Lewis said. "We were saying they must be feeling relieved that they were getting out of all that down there for a while.

"This can happen anywhere. We're all in the middle of this. The randomness of it all. You see it on TV and then someone else goes out and does it," Lewis said.

Honway, the more I think about it, the fewer holes I can find in your theory. And that's the first time that's ever happened, in regard to this situation.

I know most people might not be as familiar with all the details and history, but I wish they would be, just so they might understand how and why 9/11 might have occurred. And I mean that on a number of levels.

It's almost(but not quite)unbelievable. Jones' statements might also serve to cover his behind if and when the sh$t ever does hits the fan, which doesn't look very likely at this point.

Today is the day the Oklahoma Supreme Court is supposed to consider the "financial impact" of Terry Nichols' state murder charges, and ultimately decide whether they should be dismissed, as his attorney has requested.

Does anybody really believe this trial is ever going to take place? It will require a miracle.

How can the people of Oklahoma deal with this?

Or the people of the U.S?

I suppose that's why the decision's been made to keep it under wraps. But, if it's true, imagine how the people who know it for certain must feel.

Wouldn't want to be in their shoes. More prayers in order.

But McVeigh didn't "cooperate" completely --he appealed, although there was a stretch there when it didn't appear he was going to.

And if he was only doing it for show, and knew he was going to be executed anyway, then why not go to the Supreme Court? Do you think there was some concern the Supremes wouldn't have gone along with "the deal", that that was part of the package?

Still wanting your thoughts on Jones' motivation, however.

Don't know what to make of Otto's remarks, anymore than the rest of it.

Gotta go now, but please respond. Thanks.

Okay, so what you are saying is this:

Susan Otto brokered the deal --then turned the case over to Jones, who must have known something about it, given his comments. Then McVeigh fired Jones, but the "deal" was still in place?

This deal, ostensibly, would have "protected" McVeigh's sister from prosecution, but required McVeigh to agree to be executed "quietly," correct?

So please explain the missing documents appeal. What was the point of that? To make it appear as though McVeigh was actually trying to fight his execution, knowing already that he would lose any appeal? Hence his refusal to appeal to the Supreme Court?

That is was all sort of a "show" just to make everybody feel good?

If that's the case, why did Ashcroft mention the missing documents at all? Why was the execution delayed?

To satisfy the public's mind that "justice was done" as Ashcroft alleged?

I have a hard time believing the Bush administration would have been that creative, that early in the game.

I also have a hard time believing his post-Otto attorneys would take as many risks as they did, if such a deal was in place. Even the trial itself might have been avoided.

Except that Clinton promised early on that the perpetrators would be executed, and executed "sooner rather than later."

My biggest problem with this, though, is that if Jones were in on a deal, why in the world would he be speaking out now, without giving all the details?

If it was true, and if it was revealed, he would be putting himself at considerable risk on a number of levels, especially now, post 9/11. Do you think he is simply concerned about the country? If so, why not tell it all, then? And make it clear to the rest of us.

It doesn't yet make complete sense.

But there's probably some very simple answer.

I don't think McVeigh told his attorneys everything. I think he hated the government, and went to his death knowing -- or at least having a good idea of -- what would come later.

"I learned that government law enforcement agents will do, at the direction of their political masters, whatever it takes to see that their instructions are followed...destroy evidence, withhold evidence, lie. They will do it. They did do it," Jones recalled."

The more I think about think about this, the madder I get.

Yo --media people -- who clandestinely peruse these threads and then pretend you don't -- has it ever occurred to any one of you that the blood of Americans --including possibily the snipers's victms -- could be on your hands>?

What more do you want?

Jones is as much as saying McVeigh told him about the connection to the Phillippines, to Ramzi Youssef, and thus to Iraq --Who would know the true story better?

What would it serve Jones to be saying this TODAY, this long after McVeigh is executed?

It would only serve to demonstrate that what he said all along was true.

But nobody listened then, and it appears only a few in the media are listening today, and even fewer are willing to cover the story. But you can bets the feds are listening and watching closely.

I am truly disgusted with Fox News, and any other media organization that refuses to pursue this particular story at this particular point, and any politician in the know who refuses to press the Bush administration to address this issue.

Are you listening, Wall St. Journal?

Are you listening, Arlen Specter?

Well,you're certainly not the only one....

Asked the admin mod to retitle this "Stephen Jones: Nichols Met With Youssef in Phillippines."