LOL!! Well, well, well, here he is your favorite, and now most dishonest freeper!!
Shall we make this abundantly clear here? On August 5th, I made the following rather stinging and according to Terry, dishonest remark in a personal e-mail to her:
Your invectives toward the LDS faith are very pointed in this post.
The post I was refering to is this one, The Deadly Dangers of Moralism...........morality damns just like immorality.
Included in this post, after the fact supposedly unknown to Terry, were these rather blunt and unfriendly remarks:
"You might be the most moral Pharisee in Israel; you might be the most moral Rabbi; you might be the most moral cleric. You can take it from there; the most moral, self-righteous, clean-living Mormon. And you're going to hell with the prostitutes, unless you've been reconciled to God through His son Jesus Christ.""This cultural morality -- and this is a very important one -- creates unholy unions in which the unbelieving and enemies of the gospel are welcomed. You can find a lot of non-Christians to agree that we ought to have a more moral country, right? You could get the Muslims in on that one. You could certainly get the Mormons in; there's a lot of that."
"You get with other people who are anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, anti-euthanasia, who are against pornography. And you get all together and you're going to accomplish this with these co-belligerents. And something immediately happens, and that is this: The gospel is eclipsed."
"This effort at cultural morality leads to acceptance of inclusivism. And what I mean by that is it starts to stretch the boundaries of the kingdom of God to embrace these people who are not in Christ. And we've been through that, haven't we, over the last couple of years? You have people saying oh, you know, I -- certainly there's going to be well-intentioned Jews in heaven, and there are going to be people in the Catholic church in heaven, and there are going to be Mormons in heaven."
Well, well, well! Of course I was the dishonest one!! Suddenly I was a hypocrite! What was my crime? That I posted to her that her article speaking about the dangers of moralism strongly condemns association with Latter-day Saints!! Even in moral matters, where we most certainly agree!
Terry then responded by saying that she was "very angry" with me that I saw any anti-mormon bias in the article at all! I am sorry, all I do is read. I usually believe that if someone posts something, that they read it first. It does not matter that you take the quotes above as factual, what matters is that in such light, even casual aquaintences that are Mormon come into question. Obviously, since we as Latter-day Saints really cannot be "friends" with you, you did not even see a single injurious statement in your post. REAL friends would notice.
Sorry Terry, your personal faith and promises that I am "going to hell with the prostitutes" does not offend me. Niether do I consider such "factual" remarks an enemy to me. What does become rather clear is that your "friendship" was in fact non-existant. It was pretended friendship.
Notice the careful choice of words:
I have not "pretended interest." I have a real interest in understanding the LDS doctrine..but I never said I was interested in conversion. I am interested in doctrine and how it is formed...
So very careful you are Terry... "interested in our doctrine and how it is formed". Admittedly never interested in conversion, what then could be the motivation of this genuine interest??
I, for one, have answered that question to my fullest satifaction. The most recent feeble attempts to show us how bad you REALLY could be are finally, HONEST. But I knew that long before. I had hoped that you Terry really had friendship as a gospel principle, but I am now convicingly removed from such delusion. I stated such in my personal e-mail to you on August 5th:
Your invectives toward the LDS faith are very pointed in this post.
The very sad part about it is that we as Latter-day Saints, understand that Zion will be built upon obedience to the Gospel of Christ and not by a theocracy forced against our will.(Contrary to the filthy lies that you choose to believe as truth.)
What is so very sad is that the very thing you express in Matthew chapter five about "salt and light" and how we are to conduct ourselves as Christians is 100% spot on. I love the sermon on the mount, it is my favorite scripture. I have found no church on this earth that so fully understands what is spoken therein other than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Your hatred toward my faith is totally understandable. If I piled manure on my head, over time I might get used to the stench. Basically, by reading the filthy lies about my faith, written by those who deliberately "lie for Jesus", and seek to destroy the path that may pursuade you to investigate my church, these people are feeding you manure, pileing manure on your head, and telling you that we are devils. You have been brainwashed.
You have blind guides that you put your trust in. You see them quite often LIE quite deliberately about our faith and you know that these very same claim to be servants of Christ. Talk about doubleminded!! You know they lie here, but accept their lies elswhere. Is that not doubleminded?
Your faith about my church comes from man. It is men that tell you what we believe. Why do you entertain guests that toss manure? Is that the gospel of Christ?
"10 ¶ Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.
11 Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow."(Isa. 50)
One of the Biblical proofs for me that I cannot give you any credibility is that you quite often come at faiths with a wrecking ball, which after the fire dies down, will leave you with great sorrow. Why would you employ such servants?
It is quite inspiring to me that when my son goes on his two year mission, that he goes with scripture, and a small amount of teaching material that speaks about scripture. He will not devote months to studying about other faiths and why they are wrong. He is told to avoid argumentation with other faiths. He does not have a library of books telling about the personal of licenteousness of Luther, the political morality of Calvin and Wesley, or the failed papacy of Catholicism. In other words, wrecking balls are left at home, and are not constructed while on a mission. I know, I speak from experience.
The net result is simple, even if your wrecking ball was effective and you somehow were able to wrest me from my faith, I certainly would not follow you because the same stunt with the same efficacy could be done about your faith. Since you do not preach the gospel to me, I will not follow. If you knew the gospel, your manner of preaching would show it.
It does not!
Are you condemned to hell because you embrace for God the teachings of men? The wrecking ball of men?
No, there is no hell for ignorance. All people will be judged and glorified based upon that knowledge of God that you obtain(including the sovereignty of grace), and what you do with that grace of knowledge given to you.
Can you be saved in ignorance? Yes, salvation is given freely to all, especially the ignorant. But, if you are to be like God, knowing good and evil, then you will realize that at some point, if you are to be like Christ, you too must know good and evil. Time and place will be given you, and you will be saved by the grace of God in ignorance until such time that you are prepared to be taught.
The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, Light and Truth. Death comes to those that not only reject light and truth, but also to those that stand in it and cannot comprehend it.
Many of my good Christian friends stand in that light. Love it's warmth. Are sustained by it, and love it. Some are drawn irresistably to it like a moth to light in darkness. They know the light is good, but they bother not to understand it or comprehend it. They see Christ, and know that the light is good. Very few among them will reject that light or that truth for they know enough that the light is good.
But do they comprehend it? God does, are we not told to be like him? Where not Adam and Eve in the garden told they were now as gods knowing good and evil? Adam comprehended that light and raised up seven remarkable patriarchs very much like himself. Eve who in life bore many sorrows, comprehended that same light, and experienced joy.
My suggestion to you Terry is this, do not bear a false witness. Do not speak about what men have taught you as though it were truth. Search, ponder, and pray, and realize that God only can teach you light and truth.
I thank you for enduring me. I thank you for your patience. I know so very often that I do not what I ought to do. Please recognize my weakness. I wish that I had a tongue of angels and could speak clearly what I know. But I cannot, neither can any man.
friend always,
Scott
God only can teach you light and truth. I cannot. Neither can any man. Even the most cordial dialog between us is still vanity and flattery that we esteem ourselves somehow superior for our understanding. Contending for your faith is not done with boasting, it is done by serving God and none else.
What on earth are you doing for heaven's sake?
31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
With this final post I say goodbye to all friends and enemies. I do love you all. I pray that God will be just and merciful for all that we claim in Him.