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The United States's long war
Mail & Guardian (South Africa) ^ | 15 February 2006 | Mail & Guardian

Posted on 02/15/2006 3:24:03 AM PST by Cornpone

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To: patriciaruth

>>>>They are riding the back of a tiger...

I actually think they are Siegfried & Roy.


61 posted on 02/15/2006 5:45:58 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: tonycavanagh; patriciaruth
You might also want to consider this wonderful age of hi-tech communication is a factor in what the world is facing. It has caused even more of a division between industrial rich nations and the poor undeveloped countries as the latter's previously unprovoked citizens now want a piece of the pie along with power. I don't think communism is dead but enjoying a resurgence due to this. Groups that would have not even been aware of each other in the past are using the internet, cell phones, etc. to unite albeit loosely.

Thank you for the ping Patty. An interesting thread re our future as Americans.

62 posted on 02/15/2006 5:46:02 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Cronos

Marcia Clark? Is that you?


63 posted on 02/15/2006 5:48:33 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: tonycavanagh
The root cause of each insurgency is no different to those of the Communists.

Poverty lack of work being a major cause, the dissatisfied masses.

If our government, for reasons known only to themselves, keeps flooding our country with illiterate & unskilled masses, the above description will apply to our nation as well, in a very short time. There is a limit as to what we can absorb before "the melting pot" boils over!

64 posted on 02/15/2006 5:49:14 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Thanks for the ping!


65 posted on 02/15/2006 5:49:39 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Cornpone
"The report exposes the sheer ambition of the US attempt to mastermind global security"

And reveals the importance of responsible, intelligent, focused leadership (note tagline)--in contrast to the confused, unrealistic, intellectually dishonest foolishness offered by the U.S. Democrat Party and the European Left.

66 posted on 02/15/2006 5:51:29 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: tonycavanagh
My take on this is that the west is being used as an external enemy to allow the Islamofascists to assert total control over Islam. At its heart, I believe terrorism is a religious battle between the different groups of Islam.

They goad us into making us respond whenever they need a new bogeyman to unite Islam. We certainly, and justifiably, respond.

By doping so, they hope to recreate the old Caliphate.

Only when they have established the new Caliphate will they then be in earnest against the West.

Osama was projecting when he said early after 9/11 that the West was guilty of a "Crusade" against Islam. What he really meant, was that he is mounting a reverse "crusade" against the West. This time, we do not send a mission to free Jerusalem, they send a mission to London and New York.

We as a nation between get used to the battle of ideas that must be expressed in more thane a ten second sound bite. We must seek to understand our enemies, which will require that we study them to save our own lives.

Then, we must learn to accept action, over reaction.

I dread the world we will leave our children if we do not take heed.
67 posted on 02/15/2006 5:51:44 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota (The real Churchill knew a blood thirsty gutter snipe when he saw one.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Ah, this thread might explain the conversion.

DON'T be thrown by the odd title.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565647/posts
Using Vomit as a Weapon


68 posted on 02/15/2006 5:52:29 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: EBH
And what is to be done with our own divided nation? The hearts and minds of the American people must be won too.

We become more divided with each passing day as our borders are filled with millions of illegals with allegiances elsewhere. With each passing day and passing away of an "American" the number of true (born & naturalized citizens)Americans decrease proportionately.

69 posted on 02/15/2006 5:54:46 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Wonder Warthog


>>>> The only similarity is that they are both idiologically driven.

Al Qaeda and the left activism groups are built on Russian organized crime network models.


70 posted on 02/15/2006 5:56:41 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: FreedomPoster
"Clinton and PC have hurt us in more ways than we can imagine."

Not to mention the Founding Father of the Iranian Islamonazi Government, Jimmy Carter.

The Democrat Party was high-jacked by the Counter Culture Movement of the '60s. Only a fool would entrust the security of the world to this bunch of hippies.

Unfortunately there are many fools among the electorate, and that is our greatest danger.

71 posted on 02/15/2006 5:57:45 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: patriciaruth

bttt


72 posted on 02/15/2006 5:58:11 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Savage Beast

bump


73 posted on 02/15/2006 5:58:54 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Wonder Warthog
re:It's all about being poor" is typical Euro-twit thinking.

LOL you would have made a better point if you had not used childish name calling.

Yes there are middle class leaders as there were with the Communists.

Yes there were the radical terrorist groups in Europe made up of Middle Class students but they were never a real threat and easily dealt with as the Saudi radicals can be.

But I am talking about the third world masses. Not the First or Second World, where the motivation to fight is totally different

This war will be fought in the third world.

The third world where there is real poverty and where those masses will listen to anyone who promises them deliverance.

In the 50s 60s 70s and 80s it was the Communists now its the Islamist.

Get your head out of the first world way of thinking and into the third where this war will be fought.

As for typical euro weenie way of thinking.

I have taken part in may operations as envisaged in this report in Africa, as well as the Balkans and Middle East and I have seen what motivates the opposing foot soldiers and believe me there is a gulf between what they are fighting for and what there spiritual or political leaders think they are fighting for.

Whether it offends your political sensibilities or not this strategy will end up forming into a larger nation building exercise to alleviate poverty and foment democracy in the third world and you watch as your President will go on the Telly and state this in the coming months.

74 posted on 02/15/2006 6:03:55 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
re :My take on this is that the west is being used as an external enemy to allow the Islamofascists to assert total control over Islam.

This is a very old tactic.

Iran is using the American threat to try and reassert its control over its people.

It knows America will stop it becoming nuclear, but it keeps goading America because with the people concentrating on the external enemy they have less time to look at all the failed policies.

Massive unemployment, falling living standards, huge dissension.

75 posted on 02/15/2006 6:08:55 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: prairiebreeze

A great read.


76 posted on 02/15/2006 6:13:02 AM PST by Peach (Hillary ran over a cop and didn't even stop.)
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To: tonycavanagh

>>>> In the 50s 60s 70s and 80s it was the Communists now its the Islamist.

Now? It was the Charlie Wilson's and Rose Law Firm's that helped arm them. It was the foundation grants from the NGOs that enabled entry to other countries through universities.

If we don't fight the enablers, the enablers are going to make us into a communist state using the protect us from Al Aqaeda excuse.


77 posted on 02/15/2006 6:13:43 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Cornpone; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
Thanks Cornpone.

The plan rests heavily on a much higher level of cooperation and integration with Britain and other Nato allies, and the increased recruitment of regional governments through the use of economic, political, military and security means. It calls on allies to build their capacity "to share the risks and responsibilities of today's complex challenges"....Bringing all the elements of US power to bear to win the long war requires overhauling traditional foreign assistance and export control activities and laws." ....Briefing reporters in Washington, Ryan Henry, a Pentagon policy official, said: "When we refer to the long war, that is the war against terrorist extremists and the ideology that feeds it, and that is something that we do see going on for decades."

The article ties in with several things I have mentioned before.

...Comments about NATO and potential new alliances brush along an idea I floated a while ago about a global anti-jihad alliance along the lines of the old NATO alliance which would enable us to put on a united front against the enemy.

Bring in as many nations on the receiving end of the global jihad as possible, from Europe and Israel to the Philippines and Australia. Of course, we're not going to call it an "anti-jihad alliance"... something innocuous would do and would indeed be preferable, as long as all the players understood what the objectives are and to support each other instead of interfering with the actions of members. One such example would be to create a new voting block at the UN to help counter the OIC's agenda.

The big step towards this of course, is waking up the Europeans and the left in general. The failures of their policies of appeasement and the clouds of smoke over a burning Europe today may just one day save them from becoming an extension of an islamic empire. The clash is an inevitable one, but its better done sooner than later before the demographics run their course and acquisition of nukes, bio and chems by more islamic states who try to fulfill their wet dreams of holocausts, madhis and caliphates.

78 posted on 02/15/2006 6:28:49 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Calpernia
"Al Qaeda and the left activism groups are built on Russian organized crime network models."

And THOSE go back to any OTHER organized effort that uses terror tactics. The Mafia/Cosa Nostra pre-dated all of these, and use pretty much the same tactics.

79 posted on 02/15/2006 6:29:51 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: tonycavanagh
"Get your head out of the first world way of thinking and into the third where this war will be fought.

"I have taken part in may operations as envisaged in this report in Africa, as well as the Balkans and Middle East and I have seen what motivates the opposing foot soldiers and believe me there is a gulf between what they are fighting for and what there spiritual or political leaders think they are fighting for.

Sorry, but that is NOT what I mean by "Euro-twit" thinking. "Euro-twit" thinking is based on throwing money at the leadership and hoping it will trickle down to the masses and they'll be "bought off". They did it with Arafat and essentially every other place where there has been a crisis.

It ain't workin'.

"Whether it offends your political sensibilities or not this strategy will end up forming into a larger nation building exercise to alleviate poverty and foment democracy in the third world and you watch as your President will go on the Telly and state this in the coming months.

Which is exactly the OPPOSITE of "Euro-twit" thought, that is typified by what is currently taking place with the governments of France, Norway, Sweden and numerous others of "bowing down" to the "sensibilities" of the Islamofascists.

Eventually you "Euro" types (and I include today's Brits in that) are going to learn the same lesson supposedly taught to you by Hitler in WWII---appeasement doesn't work, and unless serious action (and I mean "kicking ass and taking names" on the LEADERSHIP of these movements) is taken, you are going to be in a world of hurt.

Rudy Guiliani pointed the way with the way he tackled crime in NYC.

80 posted on 02/15/2006 6:41:36 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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