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Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks and advancing slowly on foot after coming up against dense Russian minefields, report says
Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | July 16th, 2023 | Alia Shoaib

Posted on 07/16/2023 2:38:29 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: Mariner

I would think it depends, if experts are available, or advanced methods are available then they are, if they aren’t and the unit has no other option then the guys on the spot would do what we all used to be expected to do.


21 posted on 07/16/2023 3:18:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Mariner
I thought that the Rodents of Unusual Size had been trained in de mining.


22 posted on 07/16/2023 3:19:57 PM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Mariner

“”””Don’t some mines have magnetic detonators?””””

When I said bayonets I really just meant whatever the modern version of basic field expedient methods would be.


23 posted on 07/16/2023 3:23:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Mariner

In all their intense planning for the “counteroffensive” it appears NATO missed this new technology the Russians just developed, the minefield.


24 posted on 07/16/2023 3:25:50 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Mariner

Looks like you can’t fix Ukie...


25 posted on 07/16/2023 3:26:06 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Wilderness Conservative

Send her! I know I’d run from it.


26 posted on 07/16/2023 3:27:17 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Mariner
Didn't use bayonets in mine-clearing training 25 years ago for that reason. Then, we used plastic probing sticks that were a little thinner than a pencil and pointed at one end.

Best way to protect antitank mines from hand-probing is to seed antipersonnel mines among them. Only thing in infantry school that gave me the willies was landmine training.

27 posted on 07/16/2023 3:29:23 PM PDT by thescourged1
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To: hardspunned; All

Mine fields, obstacles and trenches in layers.

US satellites observed the construction of every linear mile of it.

So why did CJCS Milley say, on multiple occasions, that Ukraine had everything they needed to prevail and throw the Russians out?


28 posted on 07/16/2023 3:30:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: crz

That same peace was negotiated in April, ‘22. It didn’t fit DC’s globalist plans so DC quashed the peace. It still doesn’t fit the administration plan.


29 posted on 07/16/2023 3:30:49 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Mariner

It’s hard for any of us to imagine just how incompetent every layer of the woke, political American military is. I’m sure the Russians are stunned by the ineptitude. Hopefully this fact doesn’t further embolden Moscow.


30 posted on 07/16/2023 3:34:01 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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Abandoning armor, they now advance on foot with no armor and no air cover.

That's not what is happening. The Ukrainian attacks on Russian lines include air, artillery, armor, and lighter vehicles. Obviously the infantry dismount and attack as well.

You can watch for yourself.

And then the Ukrainian infantryight through the trench networks, assisted by real time drone video showing the the Russians from above.

31 posted on 07/16/2023 3:46:46 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Mariner

Just asking: is it ok if Russians carpet bomb these guys with cluster bombs like we are sending to Ukrainians?

No and No.

Drop the weapons and fist fight en masse, maybe Roman swords. Such winners and losers will not put up with corrupt governments thereafter. Thst’s what we need here.


32 posted on 07/16/2023 3:47:46 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It ( )
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To: All

Enjoy the show fellas,you’re payin’ for it.
Those poor men and women.


33 posted on 07/16/2023 3:50:01 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better beforhe they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The more of each other they kill, the less we have to worry about them.

Unless SENILE JOE gets us into a shooting war with the Rooskies and Chinese!


34 posted on 07/16/2023 3:51:49 PM PDT by 5th MEB
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now needs modern fighter jets like the US-made F-16 to improve its ground capabilities.

Hate to tell them, but F-16s are even more vulnerable than tanks. Air superiority, they have a fighting chance. Close air support to a ground offensive, not so much. And if you are going to try to use them to blast through a mine field, good luck.

35 posted on 07/16/2023 3:54:18 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: bimboeruption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart%27s_Funnies” Where are the 1944 British, when you need them?


36 posted on 07/16/2023 4:03:23 PM PDT by armourenthusiast (I capitalize everything related to South)
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To: crz

The lines are set.
Ivan is not going home,unless G.I.Joe wants a go.


37 posted on 07/16/2023 4:12:00 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better beforhe they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: ansel12

You love this crap don’t ya?
Soldier boys caught in a mine field.
“What to do mighty NATO Warrior?”

“You die lads while I watch.”


38 posted on 07/16/2023 4:18:27 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better beforhe they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: Right Brigade

That was a very bizarre and irrational personal attack.


39 posted on 07/16/2023 4:21:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Mariner

Could those minefields be largely cleared by saturation bombing with cluster munitions or do the require close air support and minesweeping?


40 posted on 07/16/2023 4:21:50 PM PDT by desertsolitaire ( )
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