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Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks and advancing slowly on foot after coming up against dense Russian minefields, report says
Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | July 16th, 2023 | Alia Shoaib

Posted on 07/16/2023 2:38:29 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: ansel12

Grow a thicker skin warrior.
Families on both sides cry EVERY DAY!


41 posted on 07/16/2023 4:25:29 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better beforhe they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: Mariner

human waves of shmucks

good going

holy roller diversity crusaders

coexist in hell


42 posted on 07/16/2023 4:30:07 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: Right Brigade

Are you able to explain what your ranting outbursts are about?

It seems we are on the same side and we both want Russia to stop attacking those people and leave their country in peace.


43 posted on 07/16/2023 4:32:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Mariner

The Russian artillery is zeroed in on their mine field. When the Ukrainians get stopped or slowed down in the mine field, they are destroyed by the artillery.

Their only hope is to get through the mine field quickly. Having the soldiers getting out of the armor and probing the mine field by hand will not work.

Apparently they don’t have the equipment they need to be successful. If their strategy didn’t work for the last month, it is not going to work tommorow.


44 posted on 07/16/2023 4:37:14 PM PDT by bosco24
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To: Wilderness Conservative

*chuckle*


45 posted on 07/16/2023 4:40:56 PM PDT by sauropod (Sun Tzu: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting”)
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To: ansel12

I would love to see Russia “walk away”.
I would like to see Ukraine say “uncle” and ask for peace.
Joe Biden will leave Ukraine hanging or start WW3
I personally think he will betray them.
All these lives wasted for very modest losses and gains.
Someone’s son is clearing that mine field.


46 posted on 07/16/2023 4:43:19 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better beforhe they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: Mariner

The author of this has no idea how combined arms works.

Tanks are 1000m back, hull-down, firing on the enemy covering troops. Infantry is at the edge of the woods, dismounted, positioned to advance when the lanes are clear. Arty is 5km back, dropping rounds on the enemy position and smoke on the minefield.

And the sappers are on their bellies, crawling through the minefield with probes and wire cutters.

Getting all of this in position, ready to go on command, is difficult. Truth is you position the support force, the assault force, the forward observers, and assign the arty, then have them sit and do nothing while the breach force starts the clearing operation.

The more of the obstacle the breach force can clear before the enemy notices the better. But once they do, the arty needs to drop smoke and the support force open up suppressive fire immediately.

The most difficult part of this is keeping overaggressive maneuver commanders from pulling the trigger prematurely.

“Haste is not speed” is not a lesson all tank commanders have learned.

The next is keeping the support force and especially the assault force ready to move quickly once the trigger is pulled. It’s hard to maintain a readiness to attack when waiting for what may be hours.

But as for the article - if Ukraine isn’t sending tanks into minefields anymore, good. That’s not their role.


47 posted on 07/16/2023 4:45:43 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Right Brigade

If the Ukrainians choose to submit to Russia’s bloody invasion and cease forever to be a nation then they will.

Russia’s invasion is a modern horror but you don’t need to lash out with such bizarre and nasty personal attacks on people at FR.


48 posted on 07/16/2023 4:48:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Mariner

It’s called MOS 12B, and it’s a fundamental part of their job.

Explosive mine clearing rockets, vehicle mounted anti-mine rollers and plows, etc., are fast and flashy, but easily spotted.

Sappers on their bellies are slower, but a lot of the time they can get their job done without being noticed.


49 posted on 07/16/2023 4:53:19 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Mariner

Before the first Iraq war.
Some African Country offered USA a whole lot of monkeys.
The monkeys were to be set loose into the minefield and trip all the mines.


50 posted on 07/16/2023 5:02:18 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: ganeemead

https://rumble.com/v3079uo-livestream-saturday-2pm-est-ukraine-sitrep-how-they-launder-the-money.html

L Todd Wood plans to upload vids explaining how they launder money


51 posted on 07/16/2023 5:04:49 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: ansel12

You are a hard nut to crack.
I want you think about these lives thst are being wasted at our expense.
Just like a bum fight.
Giving Ukraine “hope” while it bleeds.
Absolute evil.
You saw the betrayal in Afghanistan.
Same crap will happen here.

Mother,mother,mother there’s too many of you crying....


52 posted on 07/16/2023 5:05:21 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better beforhe they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: Right Brigade

I would like to see you crawl back into your hole, whether you are drunk or what, your coming out of the blue to lash out at me with total nonsense and constant irrational hostile personal attacks is getting tiresome.


53 posted on 07/16/2023 5:10:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Right Brigade

54 posted on 07/16/2023 5:11:03 PM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: csvset

Didn’t Black Sabbath do a song about “war pigs.”

5.56mm


55 posted on 07/16/2023 5:13:55 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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To: M Kehoe

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death’s construction

In the fields, the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where their bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour

Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
Oh lord, yeah!


56 posted on 07/16/2023 5:18:13 PM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: Reverend Wright

Lancet drones and copters are taking out the Lepoards


57 posted on 07/16/2023 5:19:33 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: csvset

Thank you, thank you very much.

Ozzie has left the building.

5.56mm


58 posted on 07/16/2023 5:27:33 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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To: Mariner

“Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks “

Oh PLEASE, they’re not leaving all of their Western tanks behind - after all they are giving, or selling, some of them (or at least APCs) to Russia.


59 posted on 07/16/2023 5:42:17 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: csvset

‘Zactly...
Describes this cluster to a tee...


60 posted on 07/16/2023 5:47:13 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better beforhe they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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