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Chinese spy chips would be a ‘god-mode’ hack, experts say
The Verge ^
| Oct 4, 2018, 5:51pm EDT
| Ashley Carman
Posted on 10/05/2018 11:54:39 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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10/05/2018 11:54:39 AM PDT
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Zhang Fei
To: Zhang Fei
Affected companies are vigorously disputing the report, claiming they never discovered any malicious hardware or reported similar issues to the FBI The original Bloomberg story said that Amazon actually was the first to discover this and report it to the FBI.
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posted on
10/05/2018 11:56:38 AM PDT
by
PGR88
To: Zhang Fei
IT security profesionals are calling these devices “Feinstein” chips, or simply Feinsteins.
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:01:25 PM PDT
by
SpaceBar
To: PGR88
That it hasn’t been discovered by most companies IS THE WHOLE POINT!!!!
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:03:00 PM PDT
by
null and void
(The big problem is that the republicans don't keep their campaign promises and the democrats do!)
To: Zhang Fei
Is this what is screwing up the NASDAQ?
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:03:05 PM PDT
by
JoSixChip
(He is Batman!)
To: Zhang Fei
Heck, I know how to get God Mode on any Winsows machine. Its easy. A bunch of other hacks are easy. Anyone here know what F3GUM is? Still works a lot of places. But Im a good guy - dont hack - try to help others defend against hacks.
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10/05/2018 12:05:30 PM PDT
by
piytar
(If it was not for double standards, the Democrats and the left would have NO standards.)
To: Zhang Fei
Gives them a great ability to blackmail leaders in Western countries.
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:06:53 PM PDT
by
Faith Presses On
(Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
To: Zhang Fei
On a serious note, backdoored hardware has been a topic of discussion for years. In fact I’m surprised it took this long to (tentitively) find one.
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10/05/2018 12:07:05 PM PDT
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SpaceBar
To: piytar
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:07:49 PM PDT
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piytar
(If it was not for double standards, the Democrats and the left would have NO standards.)
To: Zhang Fei; roadcat
To: conservatism_IS_compassion Im more worried about someone inserting unwanted logic inside a chip. Seems like in principle that could be hard to detect via testing.
True, hard to detect. Before I retired, I worked as an IT senior systems engineer. Several decades ago, I wrote custom machine code for IBM mainframes I maintained at my job that controlled the flow of thousands of programs that ran. I secretly embedded code that gave my programs top priority over everything else running. Many years after I left that department, my code was still running and no one detected it (despite a dozen other engineers working on the systems code). And no one would unless specifically testing with the trigger code I used to enable it. Lots of programmers did this sort of stuff for fun, because they could - nothing malicious.
It's different now, with governments doing it for malicious reasons.
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10/05/2018 12:10:02 PM PDT
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null and void
(The big problem is that the republicans don't keep their campaign promises and the democrats do!)
To: Zhang Fei
Here’s the deal: it’s a horrendous, sinister deed; but catching on to it and learning the particulars pretty much guarantees that countermeasures will be discovered and made available.
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10/05/2018 12:11:58 PM PDT
by
Migraine
(<)
To: SpaceBar
[On a serious note, backdoored hardware has been a topic of discussion for years. In fact Im surprised it took this long to (tentitively) find one.]
This isn’t something that can be ginned up by a bunch of script kiddies. This requires the cooperation of a subcontractor. Which means it is either a creature of the government, as in owned lock, stock and barrel, or wholly indemnified against financial losses upon discovery, because it is effectively out of business. This means government sponsorship to the tune of hundreds of millions or perhaps billions of dollars, presumably financed out of the profits from illicitly obtained foreign industrial know-how. Perhaps there’s a fee charged to all direct Chinese corporate beneficiaries either on a per transaction or a % of revenue basis.
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:16:51 PM PDT
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Zhang Fei
(They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
To: Zhang Fei
diane feinstein’s driver is unaware of any plobrems
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:19:12 PM PDT
by
teeman8r
(Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
To: Zhang Fei
Anyone see a good technical articulate on this yet? Almost all the reports dont say much.
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posted on
10/05/2018 12:27:05 PM PDT
by
wgmalabama
(The government murdered Robert LaVoy Finicum - what makes you think you are not next?)
To: wgmalabama
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10/05/2018 12:34:23 PM PDT
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texas booster
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To: Zhang Fei
So in other words we can rest easy knowing our tech companies won’t lie to us and the Chinese are very ethical.
To: Zhang Fei
“Which means it is either a creature of the government, as in owned lock, stock and barrel...”
That’s why I never buy anything from Lenovo!
To: Zhang Fei
Altering circuit boards with little outboard SMT modules is the cartoon stock-photo version, whereas a deep hardware backdoor might involve a few trace alterations on chip lithography masters. This would be potentially extremely hard to detect, and involves polishing a suspect chip down to the silicon circuitry for further analysis to find evidence of tampering.
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10/05/2018 12:58:26 PM PDT
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SpaceBar
To: Zhang Fei
the meaning of this and a presidential report out today and the shriveling of the US manufacturing base caused in part by predatory chinese practices means in effect that the whole US supply chain that starts in China has to re shored to the USA.
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10/05/2018 1:00:38 PM PDT
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ckilmer
To: SpaceBar
[Altering circuit boards with little outboard SMT modules is the cartoon stock-photo version, whereas a deep hardware backdoor might involve a few trace alterations on chip lithography masters. This would be potentially extremely hard to detect, and involves polishing a suspect chip down to the silicon circuitry for further analysis to find evidence of tampering.]
People who think this is hard are thinking of the resources available to script kiddies. The Chinese government can basically draft design and production engineers, swear them to secrecy on pain of death, and put them to work. This is child’s play for a national security state with China’s coercive powers in-country, given all the design and production technologies that the West has placed at China’s disposal in the course of outsourcing its entire production base to the Orient.
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10/05/2018 1:06:01 PM PDT
by
Zhang Fei
(They can have my pitbull when they pry his cold dead jaws off my ass.)
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