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Asa Hutchinson on John and Ken, KFI640 (Live Thread)
The John and Ken Show (KFI 64.0, Los Angeles) | truthkeeper

Posted on 07/08/2004 4:08:45 PM PDT by truthkeeper

After being inundated with calls from L.A. listeners, Asa Hutchinson has agreed to go on the show. He's on right now, so be there or be square. Will try to type the good stuff while I listen.


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To: AmishDude

Chill Dude....
We just wanted the sweeps to continue....
"Don't have a cow man" ... (sorry I should have remembered you're in Idaho)....


401 posted on 07/08/2004 8:33:39 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: 4Freedom
The question wasn't on the last questionnaire the RNC sent out, but the answer came back to them, in black magic marker, on a lot of them.

I do the same thing, and return my comments in their prepaid envelope.

402 posted on 07/08/2004 8:33:57 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA = ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: P-Marlowe

O.K., thanks.


403 posted on 07/08/2004 8:34:14 PM PDT by primeval patriot (I'll stay in cowtown, I'll stick around)
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To: Poohbah
Washinton

Maryland

Lee Malvo was evidently the trigger man for the series of shootings in fall of 2002 in the Washington region that killed 10 people and terrorized a huge area for weeks. Young Malvo came to this country with his mother as an illegal alien stowaway, and as such, should have been immediately returned to his native Jamaica according to law.

Blame it on Boxer, blame it on California....

404 posted on 07/08/2004 8:34:27 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Found that other website yet?


405 posted on 07/08/2004 8:35:18 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

Just calls 'em as I sees 'em.


406 posted on 07/08/2004 8:38:30 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: P-Marlowe
The text would never give the flavor of the interview.

I'm looking forward to hearing and reading it.

407 posted on 07/08/2004 8:39:21 PM PDT by primeval patriot (I'll stay in cowtown, I'll stick around)
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To: dalereed

I know, I've been through there several times, different hours of the day and night. It is always closed.


408 posted on 07/08/2004 8:39:52 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: AmishDude
"What's the solution? What do we do? You can complain all you want, you can post as many stories of illegal immigrations committing (other) crimes all you want, but tell me what you want to do."

We ask that our elected officals to enforce the immigration laws of this nation by any, and all legal means necessary.

Now... how difficult is that for you to understand?

Instead of throwing hand-grenades at every post in this topic you should have taken the time to read them. Cutsie little responses like '.. or nuclear devices in the Rio Grande' don't lend to your credibility. But then, neither does your ignorance of reality.
409 posted on 07/08/2004 8:40:10 PM PDT by Duramaximus (Will The Last Taxpayer To Leave Kalifornia Turn Off The Lights....)
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To: antceecee

You're new. When you talk about someone by (screen)name, ping them. Even if it's on an active thread. Otherwise, it's talking behind their back.


410 posted on 07/08/2004 8:41:07 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: television is just wrong

I have family in CBP and friends...believe me, they can only do what they are ordered to do. The bureaucracy of this organization is suffocating.


411 posted on 07/08/2004 8:42:14 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: Duramaximus
We ask that our elected officals to enforce the immigration laws of this nation by any, and all legal means necessary.

Not specific enough. Precisely, what legal means? Remember, we enforce the murder laws and there are still murders. No matter how much we enforce the immigration laws, there will still be illegal immigration.

Be specific, what do we do?

412 posted on 07/08/2004 8:42:30 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Duramaximus

I read every post on this thread as is evidenced by the fact that I saw posts to which I was not pinged where my name was mentioned.


413 posted on 07/08/2004 8:43:23 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Americans are sick of paying for illegals. If you want them here, you can start paying for it out of your own pocker, and take in the 13 million of them living in this country into your own home.


414 posted on 07/08/2004 8:43:48 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: P-Marlowe

Oh I'll be contacting him alright.


415 posted on 07/08/2004 8:46:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: AmishDude

I thought the Temecula CBP were very 'specifically' conducting round ups. Terrified the illegal community.... keep it up and a lot of them will stay home.
Don't have to do much more than that and you will realize a big difference.


416 posted on 07/08/2004 8:46:17 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: BurbankKarl

That's still not enough when we have around 13 million of them here.


417 posted on 07/08/2004 8:47:09 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: antceecee
I thought the Temecula CBP were very 'specifically' conducting round ups. Terrified the illegal community.... keep it up and a lot of them will stay home. Don't have to do much more than that and you will realize a big difference.

You might be right, other than the fact that you're wrong. Send 'em across the border, they come right back. If the worst thing that happens to you is that you have to go back, you take the chance that you won't be the one caught.

418 posted on 07/08/2004 8:48:35 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: truthkeeper

I'm from California. We are up to our armpits with these illegal aliens.


419 posted on 07/08/2004 8:50:12 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: gubamyster; truthkeeper

I heard part of it while driving to the store. Mr. Hutchinson sounded less than truthful, and couldn't come up with any figures for CA. John and Ken were on him like dogs on a bone :-)


420 posted on 07/08/2004 8:51:15 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: antceecee

When I was growing up all you had to do was to yell "Immigracion" in a restaurant and the place would clear out. Now if you yell "immigacion," an illegal alien host will calmly walk up to you and ask you in Spanish where you want to sit.


421 posted on 07/08/2004 8:52:00 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: AmishDude

I'm a true native Californian and can assure you from personal observation that if you are enforcing the borders only the bolder ones will continue coming across. I have discussed this with amnestied Mexicans that I have known since the mid 1980's. The guys will come, but leave the family home. This encourages them to work for a while then return home to their families. They don't just setup house here like they are doing now.


422 posted on 07/08/2004 8:54:28 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: AmishDude
in your provincial little region of the country.

Oh dear. Us folks down here in the South are narrow minded and self centered.

Whatever will we do to redeem ourselves?

Maybe the U.N. could re-educate us.

424 posted on 07/08/2004 8:56:18 PM PDT by primeval patriot (I'll stay in cowtown, I'll stick around)
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To: Sabertooth
Interior enforcement except in selected situations without going after illegal employment, and the active prosecution of employers, strikes me as a very bad policy doomed to fail, politically and practically. The incentives will still be there, but the clandestine will increase, and the disruptions will increase, and the bitterness will increase, and the abuse of children will increase (including the neglecting of their education, which cannot and should not stand). It is sort of like a heavy chemo program with not much efficacy in the end. John and Ken should have me on. I will tell them. Just making life more miserable for illegals who can still work, and whose employers have incentives to hire them, is at once cruel and unusual, and only works at incentives at the margins for so many of these relative desperate people.
425 posted on 07/08/2004 8:56:42 PM PDT by Torie
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To: AmishDude
"Be specific, what do we do?"

This is a question you should ask of Asa Hutchinson. After all, isn't he chartered with enforcing the laws of this nation?

Why should I, an American Taxpayer, have to tell him how to do his job?

The fact remains that with 2-million illegal immigrants in So. Kalifornia someone is failing to perform their job... and the buck stops at Asa's desk. As Joe Hadenuf has so kindly tried to point out to you, this problem is not specific to Kalifornia. It is infesting the inner-reaches of this land, and the taxpayers are paying the price.

My turn...

So, in your humble opinion, what should be done about this influx of illegal immigrants across our Mexican border? Or, is this even a problem as far as you are concerned?
426 posted on 07/08/2004 8:57:52 PM PDT by Duramaximus (Will The Last Taxpayer To Leave Kalifornia Turn Off The Lights....)
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To: AmishDude
"...tell me what you want to do..."

For one - make it law that at least one parent of a child born or immigrating into this country is a citizen before conferring citizenship on the child.

Two - eliminate welfare as a career, limit benefits so those Americans that won't do those jobs Americans won't do won't be paid not to do them.

Third - penalize felon companies/businesses/individuals who aid/hire Illegals to the point of bankruptcy, or close them completely.

Fourth - charge elected officials and judges who seek to aid illegals with the same crime counts as would a citizen face under similar charges.

Fifth - require every taxpayer funded program to determine the applicant's legal status before any assistance is considered and require agencies to report fraudulent applicants to authorities.

Sixth - give broad enforcement authority to all LEO's so they can help apprehend illegals.

Seventh - eliminate any chance of apprehended illegals being given "appearance dates". Detain every one until their scheduled deportation.

Last - place bounties on illegals, absconders, and their felon aids and publish their names.

427 posted on 07/08/2004 8:58:13 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: primeval patriot

By "provincial", I meant SoCal, which is the topic at hand.


428 posted on 07/08/2004 8:59:55 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: antceecee

Maybe you are right, but as you admit, the problem doesn't go away. In fact, with unattached males in the US, the problem of crime becomes worse.


429 posted on 07/08/2004 9:01:07 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: primeval patriot


I completely agree. Fences work, if only placed to funnel the traffic to zones where agents can easier round them up.
430 posted on 07/08/2004 9:01:20 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Barlowmaker; truthkeeper
That was, in no way, an intelligent and serious discourse. It was a hit job by bully boys.

Hell no, it was John and Ken! Would you prefer listening to Kommie Couric and Matt Lauer pussyfoot around with Mr. Hutchinson?

You know what? I think I'll email Mr. Hutchinson. He says he can't do his job because of all the emails, but apparently he isn't doing his job at all. So he might as well sit on his fat behind and read all the love letters people are probably sending him.

431 posted on 07/08/2004 9:02:07 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: AmishDude
This one is just for you. Your federal government at work.

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Just how sloppy is America's immigration system? Well, an illegal alien worked in two White Houses. Shown at the left is Salvador Martinez-Gonzalez with Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife Lynn.


432 posted on 07/08/2004 9:04:38 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Poohbah

So what you're saying is, in effect, if we can't close off ALL the entrances at once, but COULD close the most vulnerable one, we still have to leave them ALL open? What sense does that make? (Answer: as much sense as bringing up Boxer and FineSwine in each post of yours... which is to say, none whatsoever...)


433 posted on 07/08/2004 9:05:25 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I worked in LA manufacturing district in the early 80's and it was still the same then. All they had to do was see the green immigration vehicles and you would have a ghost town.


434 posted on 07/08/2004 9:06:26 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: azhenfud
For one - make it law that at least one parent of a child born or immigrating into this country is a citizen before conferring citizenship on the child.

I agree, but it'll take a constitutional amendment, not a mere act of Congress, to get that accomplished. (And this isn't because of a dumbass SCOTUS decision. Due to what most scholars view as a drafting oversight, the 14th Amendment itself -- the text -- states that someone born here is a citizen.) In most countries, a child at birth acquires the citizenship status (or lack thereof) of its mother, as of the time of the birth.

435 posted on 07/08/2004 9:06:36 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Duramaximus; Torie
This is a question you should ask of Asa Hutchinson.

If you're among those tying up his phone lines, at least you should have an idea of what you want him to do.

Why should I, an American Taxpayer, have to tell him how to do his job?

"Fix it" is not a proper job description. You have to be specific and if you can't, you should try to elect people who can. You need to read my rant and get a grip on exactly how massive this problem is.

Torie is right. There's a demand side here. But even that is hard to get a hold of. You can't go after every single contractor who hires an illegal immigrant for 3 months. You're going to be complaining forever.

436 posted on 07/08/2004 9:07:05 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Mr. Hutchinson sounded less than truthful,...

That's an understatement. He refused about 10 direct opportunities from John to deny or confirm whether the sweeps would start up again.

437 posted on 07/08/2004 9:10:49 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: AmishDude

Since you're a foreigner, I think it's time you quit telling Californians what to do!

being a 5th generation So. Californian I consider anyone imigdrating from another state to be a foreigner, along with the illegals they have totally corrupted a the good state that I was born and raised in!


438 posted on 07/08/2004 9:11:55 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Poohbah
Franklin, Indiana

Raul Ortiz Gonzalez is another of the many violent creatures let loose on innocent children by border anarchy and permissive interior enforcement of immigration. An illegal alien from Mexico, he is accused of shaking two-year-old toddler Mariella De Luna to death as a result of internal head injuries, specifically hemorrhaging to the brain and retinas. Gonzalez was the unemployed live-in boyfriend of the child's mother. The crime occurred in Franklin, Indiana, demonstrating that violent crimes by illegal aliens are no longer just the problem of southwestern states. Local police have been unable to find Gonzalez and believe he may have escaped to Mexico.

Blame it on California and Boxer....

439 posted on 07/08/2004 9:12:48 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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It's time to post this again. Any additions, deletions, or changes?

— The Hispanic population will continue to grow faster than others.
— Amnesty will not stop illegal immigration...
— But some form of amnesties and illegal immigration with both continue into the foreseeable future.
— Also, illegal immigrants will not be deported — won't happen.
— Few will leave of of their own accord. Living in squalor here probably beats living in squalor in their home countries.
— And a two language nation (like Canada) may very well evolve here.
— Meanwhile, the growing illegal population grows the underground economy...
— And the underground economy is a drain on the national economy.
— A massive subculture is the last thing we need.
— Presently, most illegals live in poverty...
— And people living in poverty tend to be a big Democrat constituancy.
— Illegals, by definition, are fugitives...
— And more fugitives will cause more problems as they prey on us to survive. It's already happening and increasing.
— Therefore, they will be legalized (via amnesty) and they will become voters.
— They will also become tax payers.
— How many potential voters are we talking about?
— No party can afford to concede that many votes. That's the political reality.
— If we don't assimilate them under our terms, they will assimilate themselves under their own terms.
— Without assimilation, all the problems you can think of will become more and more unmanageable and much more expensive to solve.
— This all represents the price we will pay for generations of open borders.
— No one party alone will fix the problem, but the two major parties working together can make a big difference. Don't count on the Democrats to help. They want the current and potential millions of votes.

440 posted on 07/08/2004 9:13:36 PM PDT by Consort
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To: truthkeeper

He is a nice guy who is letting illegal immigration continue out of control. I don't consider that too nice.


441 posted on 07/08/2004 9:13:58 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: dalereed
As Joe Hadenuf has so kindly tried to point out to you, this problem is not specific to Kalifornia. It is infesting the inner-reaches of this land, and the taxpayers are paying the price.

So which is it? Is it not my problem because I don't live in the land of fruits and nuts or is it my problem because it effects us all?

442 posted on 07/08/2004 9:14:42 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Poohbah
Nevada:

Samuel Avalos Gallardo is an escaped convict and illegal alien. Driving at three times the legal limit for blood alcohol, he drove in the wrong lane and struck head-on a car driven by 18-year-old Gary Selby, which killed him and severely injured his three passengers.

One year later, in 1993, Gallardo was found guilty in the DUI death of Gary Selby and for the serious injury to the other passengers, for which Gallardo was sentenced to 40 years imprisonment. Because of a terrible mistake by the Nevada Department of Corrections, Gallardo was placed in minimum security incarceration despite being a dangerous criminal and someone who could easily escape to Mexico. He did escape after only six months in jail and remains at large. The Selby family still hopes that he will be recaptured to serve out his sentence to give them some peace of mind.

Blame it on Boxer and California

443 posted on 07/08/2004 9:15:15 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Happy2BMe

Yes that is true. If anyone here wants these people here, take them into your home and raise all 13 million of them as your family. I am tired of my taxdollars being used for them instead of keeping up roads, and supporting the infrastructure, of our own country.


444 posted on 07/08/2004 9:16:08 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: AmishDude

Still, without having to provide healthcare, WIC, education and other support for extended families, we would have a heck of a lot more money to spend on law enforcement!


445 posted on 07/08/2004 9:16:19 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: dalereed
I am a native Californian, and I think your post is inane, and parochial, and has unconstitutional overtones to the extent it attacks as illegitimate those Americans who have an opinion about the policies of another state. Have you never opined about what you think of the policies of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts?

Let me help you with some of this. In the end, we must all hang together as one nation, concerned about the place as a whole, or we will all hang separately.

Try to think a bit before you pound the keyboard is my best advice.

446 posted on 07/08/2004 9:16:39 PM PDT by Torie
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To: azhenfud
For one - make it law that at least one parent of a child born or immigrating into this country is a citizen before conferring citizenship on the child.

Requires a constitutional amendment. Propose it, it's long overdue.

Two - eliminate welfare as a career, limit benefits so those Americans that won't do those jobs Americans won't do won't be paid not to do them.

Done. Clinton signed it after vetoing it twice.

Third - penalize felon companies/businesses/individuals who aid/hire Illegals to the point of bankruptcy, or close them completely.

Probably a good idea, won't effect the little guys.

Fourth - charge elected officials and judges who seek to aid illegals with the same crime counts as would a citizen face under similar charges.

For how they vote? Get serious.

Fifth - require every taxpayer funded program to determine the applicant's legal status before any assistance is considered and require agencies to report fraudulent applicants to authorities.

It happens a lot. It's not fool-proof, unless you want a national ID card. I don't.

Sixth - give broad enforcement authority to all LEO's so they can help apprehend illegals.

Sounds good. Most big-city mayors will ignore it.

Seventh - eliminate any chance of apprehended illegals being given "appearance dates". Detain every one until their scheduled deportation.

Ironically, the amount of extra space needed will probably be built with illegal immigration labor. Do you have a cost estimate on that?

Last - place bounties on illegals, absconders, and their felon aids and publish their names.

But if you know who they are, how hard is it to find them? It isn't a matter of us knowing their names and just not having figured out where they are, you know.

447 posted on 07/08/2004 9:16:43 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
"If you're among those tying up his phone lines, at least you should have an idea of what you want him to do."

The answer is simple... do the job he is paid to perform.

On this we agree... Torie is correct about the demand side of this equation.

I believe that during the interview Asa Hutchinson addressed the steps his office took with WalMart. However, when pressed about the existence of similar actions in Kalifornia he danced around the subject. Shameful behavior for an elected official... don't you agree that his responses smacked of Clinton when pressed for the truth?

Now then... when are you going to answer my questions?
448 posted on 07/08/2004 9:17:35 PM PDT by Duramaximus (Will The Last Taxpayer To Leave Kalifornia Turn Off The Lights....)
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To: primeval patriot

Works for me.


449 posted on 07/08/2004 9:17:56 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: AmishDude

It's a national problem but it is none of your business how californians want to handle it in this state and I resent your coming on this thread with your crap!


450 posted on 07/08/2004 9:18:25 PM PDT by dalereed
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