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Maybe! (Santorum is about to become Ex-Senator Santorum)
Politics PA ^ | Uncertain | Dr. G. Terry Madonna , Dr. Michael Young

Posted on 03/29/2005 6:40:35 AM PST by Conservative Goddess

Some very smart people believe that U.S. Senator Rick Santorum is poised to become ex- Senator Santorum, a casualty of his scheduled re-election contest next year with State Treasurer Bob Casey.

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In fact, a close look at the record suggests that his confrontational style and conservative rhetoric conceals more than it reveals. Too much attention has been spent on Santorum the cultural ideologue and not enough on his pragmatism and political opportunism; inside this raging bull of a conservative is a pragmatist for whom getting re-elected always trumps ideology, which may not make him any different than other politicians.

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The independent and much respected National Journal’s rating system cited here is probably the most highly regarded measure of its kind. What its analysis reveals is that Pennsylvania’s junior senator consistently shifts toward the center in those years just before his reelection. Santorum may continue to talk like a conservative, but he’s voting like a pragmatist. Last year, for example, according to the Journal, Santorum was actually narrowly left of the Republican center, with his votes placing him closer to Arlen Specter than to his more conservative colleagues.

Last year was not the only year he moved left. He did the same in the run up to his 2000 re-election. The year before the election, he supported a decidedly un-conservative sales tax hike in 11 western Pennsylvania counties to build new sport stadiums in Pittsburgh, campaigned for pro choice Christy Todd Whitman, and supported increasing the minimum wage. In 2000, he supported federal funding for several Pennsylvania projects, including money for aquatic habitat. He also fought to save the health care benefits of 560, 000 Pennsylvanians who participated in the Medicare+Choice program. Most revealing of all, he backed off his commitment for the 1997-balanced budget act.

Similarly, this election cycle, Santorum is showing renewed interest in transportation and other Pennsylvania pork barrel appropriations. Indeed, he has now become a key player in bringing the bacon back home. He has also held high profile press conferences with John Kerry promoting a measure that would accommodate workers’ religious practices and with Hillary Clinton for money to study the effects of TV viewing, Internet and other media on children. And he is now rethinking his position in favor of capital punishment.

Santorum even now supports Clinton’s Americorps program that he once ridiculed as a colossal waste of taxpayer’s money for kids to sit around campfires singing kum ba yah.

His conservative talk and moderate walk were on display recently in key congressional budget votes. Initially, the “conservative” Santorum voted against a variety of Senate initiatives to restore budget cuts by the House--from Medicaid to Homeland Security grants, to education, and even Amtrak funding. But then on cue, the “moderate” Santorum, voted with the majority, 51 to 49, on final passage to restore the cuts to education, Medicaid, and the other domestic programs he had previously not supported.

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But this focus on Santorum’s high profile rhetoric has been myopic, causing his adversaries to miss much that is important. In particular, insufficient attention has been paid to Santorum’s unflagging work at his party’s grass roots; how he’s established comprehensive constituency services; how he’s worked tirelessly for Republicans--ask Arlen Specter about this--and how he has joined Specter in the Pennsylvania pork brigade. And far too little notice has been given to how he has blended his conservative zealotry with political pragmatism.

Maybe Democrats will learn the lesson taught here. Maybe they will learn not to underestimate Santorum. Maybe they will learn to watch what he does more closely than what he says. Maybe they will learn to take him less seriously as an ideologue and more seriously as a politician. And maybe they will finally defeat him next year. Maybe!


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: casey; caseysfreeperteam; circularfiringsquad; dutrolls; eatourown; electionussenate; newbie; pennsylvania; rino; santorum; toomeyloonies; troll
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To: Conservative Goddess
The fact that he has been scored highly by the ACU is of little consequence to those of us who delivered him to office because of his stated position on the pro-life issue. When he allowed Arlen to ascend, all was lost, all was for naught. I will not reward his traitorous behaviour.

So, you propose, to keep from shooting yourself in the foot, you put the gun in your mouth before pulling the trigger?

51 posted on 03/29/2005 7:16:22 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: jammer

Because we had some doubters out here that he wouldn't be conservative enough and they turned out to be for the other side. I left that out which was probably the most important part. You should have heard the ads from the campaign run by "Hillary's" people. Carson was the only "true" conservative in the race. In fact, in State's surrounding us they thought Carson was the Republican and Coburn the Democrat pretending to be Conservative.

We had a lot of experience with people just like the person who posted this. It was striking to read this -- right out of the Clinton playbook used against Dr. Tom.


52 posted on 03/29/2005 7:16:30 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Piffle


53 posted on 03/29/2005 7:16:48 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: MadIvan

Please see number 46.


54 posted on 03/29/2005 7:17:30 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Conservative Goddess
Well, if Santorum's position in the polls leading into the primary season is perilous enough, perhaps rank and file GOPers in Penn should abandon Rick and go with a fresher-faced convservative.

Someone like Pat Toomey.

Karma. It's a bee-otch sometimes, eh, Rick?

55 posted on 03/29/2005 7:17:57 AM PST by LincolnLover ("Always look on the bright side o' life!")
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To: Conservative Goddess
The fact that he has been scored highly by the ACU is of little consequence to those of us who delivered him to office because of his stated position on the pro-life issue.

Then don't the let door hit you on the way out. Your anger is misplaced. Furthermore, I saw you troll this nonsense on FR yesterday.

56 posted on 03/29/2005 7:18:05 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Conservative Goddess
"I cannot and will not support the man responsible for that: Rick Santorum."

OK, don't support him.
If your logic brings you to the point where you determine that the election of Arlen Specter in two elections (primary & general)was the sole responsibility of Rick Santorum then many of us would appreciate you applying your reasoning skills to the Casey campaign.
57 posted on 03/29/2005 7:18:29 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: trebb

How would you reward a traitor? If our remedy is not at the ballot box, where? How? When? Ricky has been in office for over a decade, and as he ages, his votes become more liberal. Enough.


58 posted on 03/29/2005 7:19:26 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Conservative Goddess

You're going to punish Santorum for doing the same thing that President Bush did, i.e., supporting Specter? Did you vote for Kerry in 2004 or what?

One misjudgement does not (usually), a bad senator make.

Regards, Ivan


59 posted on 03/29/2005 7:20:43 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Then go support someone who will sell you out on everything as they will be answering to Hillary Clinton! I am pro-life but not going to sell out a Rick Santorium who votes pro-life for someone who wouldn't have the nerve to vote against Hillary Clinton.

I don't care what the one issue is -- I am against turning out a good conservative Republican for a RAT. Some of you need a dose of reality! Roe v. Wade is not going to be overturned anytime soon. Took years to get partial birth abortion banned and you didn't get that done by electing a Democrat claiming to be pro-life until he meets Hillary Clinton. Without Republicans, you still wouldn't have a ban on partial birth abortion!


60 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:05 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Conservative Goddess

REVENGE!!!!! If you only knew the power of the Dark Side!!!!


61 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:18 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: bmwcyle
I think "misgiuded" is one word, although the Goddess should have named herself "Miss Guided".

When it comes down to it, Santorum can only be held accountable for what he and he alone does.

62 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:26 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Conservative Goddess

"Ricky has been in office for over a decade, and as he ages, his votes become more liberal. Enough."

Which is now?
Being responsible for Specter winning two legitimate elections?
His 96% conservative voting record?


63 posted on 03/29/2005 7:21:33 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: PhiKapMom
Well, I wouldn't argue with that. I'm sure it has been going on much longer, but the first blatant demonstration of this type thing--the Trojan horse?--was the seminar callers 10 years ago to CSPAN. No question it occurs.

My problem with the 96% ACU rating of Santorum, etc., is that things that are important to ME, e.g., Specter, aren't included in that number. I wonder what that remaining 4% represents. Big things or little things? Sure, one can pile up a big rating by voting "conservative" on whether, say, we should give an additional $ 10,000 to Rwanda. But on the important issues that can be won--not the Marriage Amendment or other red meat, bread and circuses (forgive the mixed metaphor)--what is the record?

I admit that I may react stronger than my thoughts or feelings, but that's the nature of this board.

64 posted on 03/29/2005 7:24:22 AM PST by jammer
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To: TheBigB
A choice between Santorum and Casey is a no-brainer. Santorum.

You got that right. I tire of the "if we don't get everything we want..." crowd.

65 posted on 03/29/2005 7:24:50 AM PST by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Trolls are getting really obvious recently -- Howard Dean must have decided to use FR as part of their DNC propaganda that Democrats really are the conservatives as Hillary moves to the middle and right. Only explanation I have for the number of them spamming threads with their crap.


66 posted on 03/29/2005 7:25:55 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: jammer

You act stronger then your feelings on here? You love it! Keeps the place lively! :)


67 posted on 03/29/2005 7:27:50 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Dane

The Dems are rubbing their hands in glee on finally getting a chance to get rid of the hated Santorum. I hope the pro-life Democrat voters in PA remember what they did to Casey's father. If Casey gets in we are doomed here in PA. VOTE FOR SANTORUM!!!!


68 posted on 03/29/2005 7:28:16 AM PST by TracyPA
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To: Ramcat
There seems to be a "Get Santorum" thread everyday here.
I'm glad to see that many FReepers are not fooled by what's going on here.
Bringing down Rick Santorum would be a big trophy for the libs.
We've been fortunate here in PA to have Rick as our Senator. He's much more conservative than the majority of the state.
This will be a battle.
69 posted on 03/29/2005 7:28:44 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Ramcat; All

Perhaps you didn't watch the primary closely. Rick and GWB came to the rescue, and Arlen narrowly defeated Pat Toomey, a true conservative.

Before the pro-Arlen ads ran, Rick called some of those people who supported and worked for him specifically because of the pro-life position. He knew and understood that what he was about to do would wound his base. The fact that we are now refusing to support him should come as no surprise. He made a political calculation, and he cannot feign shock at the predictable reaction.

For those of you throwing stones, I've yet to hear ANYONE offer a reason to vote for Santorum that sounds in anything more than: He's the lesser of the evils.

I'm looking for a reason to vote for Santorum, not a reason to vote against Casey. The fact is, Santorum, while his words echo my sentiments, his votes do not. There is no reason for my continued support.


70 posted on 03/29/2005 7:28:45 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: jammer
We might have to stomach Casey--which I would hate--but the next Republican would toe the line, which is what we want.
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Attitudes like yours would seriously compromise conservative judicial confirmations or, worse yet, cause us to lose the Senate. The latter of course would ensure that the judiciary remain activist and would continue to allow the the left to promote their agenda through the courts rather than the legislature. Not to mention the impending battle for the SCOTUS.

I think controlling the judiciary is one of the most important domestic issues we face. FR is even planning a march on DC to end judicial activism. Santorum may not be your ideal representative but he is a hell'uva lot better than Collins, Snowe, Chafee and Specter. With Santorum we continue to control the Senate and judicial appointments. Bob Casey will never support any conservative judicial nominations.

Nothing wrong with being idealistic but when so much is on the line concerning our out of control judiciary we need to also be pragmatic.
71 posted on 03/29/2005 7:30:52 AM PST by Mase
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To: PhiKapMom

I can't decide if she is a troll or not. Its hard to tell.


72 posted on 03/29/2005 7:31:07 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: PhiKapMom
It was striking to read this -- right out of the Clinton playbook used against Dr. Tom.

It even has a name. It's a rhetorical tactic called "making the good the enemy of the perfect". It's designed to convince people to starve rather than settle for half a loaf. Instead, the deluded end up with crumbs.

73 posted on 03/29/2005 7:34:21 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: Mase
Well, I totally agree with your last two paragraphs. Your first is...well, fodder for disagreement. Let me see, are you saying that, due to the agreed need to have conservative judicial confirmations, we have to elect Santorum, who is responsible for Arlen being able to block those very confirmations?

I have trouble with that reasoning.

74 posted on 03/29/2005 7:34:46 AM PST by jammer
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To: Conservative Goddess
"Perhaps you didn't watch the primary closely. Rick and GWB came to the rescue, and Arlen narrowly defeated Pat Toomey, a true conservative"

Actually, I did watch the primary closely.
From what I could determine prior to the election was that Pat was a relatively unknown congressman from rural Central PA.
He was in the bar and restaurant business prior to his election in 1999 to the House of Representatives.
I paid enough attention to realize that Pat was no lock to beat Hoffel in the general election. Specter was a lock and to my knowledge he has not done one single thing since his election to impede the president's judiciary strategy.
As for what Rick has done?
He is a true Pro Life, Pro Family, tax cut CONSERVATIVE and a good man.
Let me add this.
Pat Toomey will support Rick Santorum's re election.
75 posted on 03/29/2005 7:38:46 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: LexBaird

Very well put! That says it all!


76 posted on 03/29/2005 7:40:38 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Conservative Goddess
For those of you throwing stones, I've yet to hear ANYONE offer a reason to vote for Santorum that sounds in anything more than: He's the lesser of the evils.

I'll give you a reason, 3 words: supreme court justices. We need to ensure that we control the U.S. Senate, which will have its say on any judges and justices Pres. Bush may appoint. This means that we'll even have to tolerate RINOs like Olympia Snow and Lincoln Chafee for a while. Santorum is no Snow or Chafee, not by a long shot.

I'll be the 1st to admit that he screwed up royally by backing Specter instead of Toomey; I made to roadie from Indy to Western PA to campaign for Toomey! Nevertheless, Santorum can be counted on to vote for bringing judicial nominations to the floor of the U.S. Senate, and that's why we need to keep his seat in GOP hands.
77 posted on 03/29/2005 7:41:47 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: Conservative Goddess
Conservatives like this erode the party from within

No, armchair fanatics like you erode the party from within (unless of course you are a troll).

In case you hadn't noticed, Pennsylvania voted for Kerry last year! Santorum would have been foolish not to support Specter, who like it or not has significant support within the Pennsylvania Republican Party. Not every Republican agrees with you on every issue. To expect every Republican Senator to agree with you 100% of the time is either naive or delusional.

If Santorum has to make a politically expedient vote once in a while to get re-elected, that's just an unfortunate political reality. Senators can't live in a perfect fantasy world; otherwise, they get trounced by the likes of Barack Obama.

If your goal is to purge every Senator who isn't to the Right of Santorum, then the Republican Party will have as much national relevance as Pat Buchanan and Alan Keyes. There are plenty of turd parties out there that would be glad to have you and other fanatics. Undermining our Party with ridiculous attacks on men like Senator Santorum proves YOU are no friend of the Republican Party. Don't go away mad; just go away.

78 posted on 03/29/2005 7:46:04 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (Mindless BushBot)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Not much of a conservative goddess are you.


79 posted on 03/29/2005 7:46:47 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: jammer
Public opinion is clearly on the side of giving judicial nominees an up or down vote. Whether that is enough to persuade the senate or we are forced to go nuclear, we will still have to control the senate to confirm Bush's nominations.

I am no happier than you are about Specter being where he is. But it is what it is and electing a Democrat will do nothing to change the courts. I don't want to wait another 6 years to elect a Republican from PA. I want changes now and the odds of that happening are better with Santorum in the senate rather than Casey. If Toomey can beat Rick in the primary then more power to him and I will gladly contribute to his campaign. Otherwise, we need more Republicans in the senate, not less.

I dream about 60 Republican senators in 2006 and the possibilities that presents. Being pragmatic will get us to where we want to be much faster than hard line idealism.
80 posted on 03/29/2005 7:49:56 AM PST by Mase
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To: Mase
Anyone NOT from Pennsylvania on this thread needs to STFU.

This is NOT a conservative state like Oklahoma, yet we have elected one of the most conservative Senators in the country. John Kerry carried Pennsylvania, and Arlen Specter got more votes than Kerry. Specter is the most popular politician in this state. Santorum probably picked up a lot of votes by supporting Specter; had he not supported him he would have been severely damaged going into this campaign. If we let Santorum lose this Senate seat, we will never get it back. Bob Casey will have it for 40 years.

81 posted on 03/29/2005 8:01:32 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Barbara Boxer is deeply saddened......)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Cut off your nose to spite your face.


82 posted on 03/29/2005 8:07:55 AM PST by alnick (Rice 2005: We've only just begun to see what Freedom can achieve.)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
This is NOT a conservative state like Oklahoma

True, and I support Santorum's re-election. That being said, however, Santorum may have hurt himself with conservatives more that he helped himself with Specter-ites by backing Specter over Toomey. Many of my friends in Butler County, for example, are not all that fired up over Santorum. They may vote for him, but they don't feel the drive to go out & work for him the way they worked for Toomey.
83 posted on 03/29/2005 8:12:24 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: MadIvan

One senator is not the equivalent of a President. I voted for President Bush, not because I agreed with his support of Arlen, but because Kerry would have beem so much worse. You cannot equate a senator with a president. The two are decidedly different. The Senator is one of my elected representatives in Congress and when he ceases to speak for me, I cease to support him.


84 posted on 03/29/2005 8:24:06 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: All
Candidates' Questionnaire -- 2004 General Election

5. What is your position on a provision in the state’s budget to fund contraceptive services?

Casey (D): Support

5a. What is your position on requiring employers or health insurance plans to cover contraceptives in their prescription drug plans?

Casey (D): Support

7. What is your position on government requiring that benefits be provided to same-sex partners?

Casey (D): Employers should be permitted to extend domestic partnership benefits to same-sex couples in committed, long-term relationships.

8. What is your position on legislation prohibiting homosexual couples from adopting children?

Casey (D): Oppose

5. What is your position on school choice legislation in the form of direct grants to students to attend the school of their choice (vouchers)?

Casey (D): Oppose


85 posted on 03/29/2005 8:24:47 AM PST by DBeers ()
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To: Conservative Goddess

I say surround him with conservatives.


86 posted on 03/29/2005 8:32:22 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Anyone NOT from Pennsylvania on this thread needs to STFU.
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You're preaching to the choir with me although I disagree with you that anyone outside PA can't have an opinion on this. Santorum's seat is key to holding the senate and building toward the number 60. A filibuster proof majority presents all kinds of opportunities for advancing the conservative agenda, especially with judicial appointments.

I don't like pro-abortion Specter or his attempts to derail Bush's nominees. Doesn't matter if he's from PA or Florida. Challenging Specter or extolling Senator Santorum's record and ACU rating is certainly open for discussion outside of PA residents as is the many benefits of keeping Santorum's seat in the Republican column.
87 posted on 03/29/2005 8:35:27 AM PST by Mase
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To: Mase
Yeah, I am sympathetic to your point. There is a French (ugh!) statement that might be relevant, however, pour encourager les autres (as an example to the others, roughly).

Santorum may not survive, and we may have to wait 6 years. But if heresy is punished there, the others might be encouraged to stay less impure. Defiance of the base with impunity is not representative government. Just a thought, worth what you paid for it!

88 posted on 03/29/2005 8:37:48 AM PST by jammer
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To: fuquadukie; TheBigB; Dane
Rick Santorum was the whip for the medicare vote.He went around trolling for votes trying to convince Republicans to vote for the largest entitlement in American history.I have no problem with Santorum as the Senator from Pennsylvania as long as he tells the truth on what he is:a Moderate.When he and his supporters tell me he is a conservative and has done no wrong,then he has to go. Those of you fighting for Santorum would be better served saying "Rick is an a$$,but he is the best we got" if you keep saying" Rick is a true conservative,the rest of you are nuts" the Santorum will lose and you will fracture the right.
89 posted on 03/29/2005 8:37:55 AM PST by Gipper08
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To: Conservative Goddess; sure_fine

I'll take Santorum over Casey, anyday. The writer's an idiot. And yes, I'm in York, PA.


90 posted on 03/29/2005 8:37:57 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Conservative Goddess
This litany from "The most conservative Senator." Conservatives like this erode the party from within, and are arguably more dangerous than Democrats who are open and honest about what they believe and vote accordingly. Santorum is the enemy within.

A newbie who does nothing but post articles ripping Santorum? Gee, you wouldn't be a troll, would you?
91 posted on 03/29/2005 8:41:26 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: FlipWilson
I am voting Casey over Santorum. Hell maybe the Dems will retake the Senate, that will show em!!

When you make the perfect the enemy of the good, you end up with this:



Bob Casey is about as pro-life as Harry Reid...
92 posted on 03/29/2005 8:43:35 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Conservative Goddess

Is this serious? Somehow all this santorum bashing seems more against his oppostion to homosexual marriage and other culture issues than him not being conservative enough.


93 posted on 03/29/2005 8:45:59 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Antoninus; hchutch; Long Cut; Howlin; Hildy; Peach

No, she's a true conservative. Dan Rather has some memos from her commanding officer in the Pennsylvania Air National Guard that say so.


94 posted on 03/29/2005 8:48:22 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: longtermmemmory

This is an organized campaign by a few newbies.

The Force gives these newbies power over weaker minds.

Unfortunately, many FReepers have the IQ of a toaster, so it works.


95 posted on 03/29/2005 8:49:39 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: PhiKapMom; MadIvan; KC_Conspirator; TheBigB; Badray; All

For those who excoriate me for daring to suggest that our elected representatives should say what they mean and mean what they say, I'd like to boil it down for you:

All I'm asking for is truth in advertising.

When Rick speaks like a preacher on Sunday, but votes like a casper-milque-toast moderate on Monday, there has been no truth in advertising. Those who do not bother to compare words and deeds are easily duped. I was duped by his words for a long time.

I find no compelling argument for tolerating duplicity in our elected representatives. On the contrary, I believe they should be held to the highest possible standards of honesty because there has clearly been and continues to be "the odious propagation of the tentacles of the government anemone" into virually every aspect of our lives. Quote from Judge Hoyt, Decision, Inc. v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 47 T.C. 58 (1966)

How are we to stop the odious propagation if our elected officials are not honest with us? Rick's votes on the budget are a prime example. For years, I voted for Rick simply because I believed his words. It's time we hold him accountable for those instances where words and deeds are incongruent. If you don't tolerate lying from your two-year old, then you shouldn't tolerate lying from your elected representative.

If after reading this, you decide to vote for Rick because he's the lesser of the evils, I applaud your conscious decision and active exercise of your franchise. I chose to hold him accountable for failure to be truthful about his motives and deeds. I will do so by withholding my vote in 2006.


96 posted on 03/29/2005 8:51:04 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: hispanichoosier

Ricky will never get a chance to vote on Supreme Court nominees if Arlen holds them in committee. His would be vote for a nominee who dies in committee means nothing.


97 posted on 03/29/2005 8:53:19 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: pgkdan

If not now, when would it be appropriate, in your view, to hold him accountable?


98 posted on 03/29/2005 8:55:33 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: PhiKapMom

You spotted that too, eh PKM?

One of the new tactics used by the Donks is to come in and promote fratricide in order for us to lose seats next year. You're going to see a lot of "conservatives" talking up Third Party nonsense such as Constitution, Libertarian, etc., or throwing the Republican bum out because he isn't conservative enough. Don't be deceived by the bullsh*t artists among us.

Anyone who is arguing to decrease our Senate caucus numbers is arguing in favor of increasing the power of the liberal Democrats. Period. A LOT of people will scream RINO, but they have a different agenda.

I'm not buying this sucker's game. Thanks for being a smart trendspotter, PKM!

Be Seeing You,

Chris

99 posted on 03/29/2005 8:55:52 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: KC_Conspirator

Rest assured, I am no troll.


100 posted on 03/29/2005 8:59:03 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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