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April 14, 1865 President Lincoln Shot
History Channel.com ^ | 4/14/2005 | staff

Posted on 04/14/2005 6:40:53 PM PDT by kellynla

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To: Non-Sequitur
States want to secede. Two sides meet and work out separation terms agreeable to both sides. Vote taken. States leave in peace with everyone happy and no ill feelings. Why is that such a horrible idea for you?

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, that'd happen, with New York bankers and the Secretary of the Treasury clinging to Lincoln's cuffs screaming Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

541 posted on 04/26/2005 3:07:50 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
King Lincoln wouldn't hear of it.

Concurring thud-bump. Much more satisfying to beat the other kids up, show 'em who's boss. And think of all that money, all that political vig!

Enough to turn a bad boy's head.

542 posted on 04/26/2005 3:10:16 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Yeah, that'd happen, with New York bankers and the Secretary of the Treasury clinging to Lincoln's cuffs screaming Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

It probably would have. But instead the south turned to rebellion, started a war, lost a war, had their houses and farms trashed, and haven't stopped bitchin' about it since.

543 posted on 04/26/2005 3:11:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
why shouldn't your 'sovereigns' need permission to leave?

They didn't. The People never do. That's what "sovereign" means. And they are -- but you never told me your answer, when I challenged you months ago.

If the People aren't sovereign, then who is?

Someone you like better, no doubt.

544 posted on 04/26/2005 3:13:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
But instead the south turned to rebellion, started a war, lost a war, had their houses and farms trashed, and haven't stopped bitchin' about it since.

There was no "rebellion".

Lincoln started the war -- or do I need to quote his admiring secretary again?

So subtle. So deft.

545 posted on 04/26/2005 3:14:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
It probably would have.

Nah, no way. Lincoln was elected president for one purpose: beat up the South, throw 'em in jail, make 'em work for cheap.

546 posted on 04/26/2005 3:16:52 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
More BS. They walked out, repudiating their share of obligations the nation built up while they were a part of it and absconding with whatever community property that wasn't nailed down.

Yeah, like the California gold fields, Colorado's silver mines, and the Comstock Lode.

I don't remember anything about their trying to "take away" federal property like Fort Bridger and Fort Osage, either. They walked away from the northern Territories, claimed New Mexico, Arizona, and Oklahoma. All else they gave up -- but you never complain about that, only about the part of the ledger where something might have stuck to them. I don't think fairness or equity is your concern here.

547 posted on 04/26/2005 3:36:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
There was no "rebellion".

Yes there was.

Lincoln started the war -- or do I need to quote his admiring secretary again?

Let's quote that unnamed southern officer who first said, "Open fire." That's what started the war.

548 posted on 04/26/2005 3:36:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
Nah, no way. Lincoln was elected president for one purpose: beat up the South, throw 'em in jail, make 'em work for cheap.

ROTFLMAO.

549 posted on 04/26/2005 3:37:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
I don't remember anything about their trying to "take away" federal property like Fort Bridger and Fort Osage, either. They walked away from the northern Territories, claimed New Mexico, Arizona, and Oklahoma. All else they gave up -- but you never complain about that, only about the part of the ledger where something might have stuck to them. I don't think fairness or equity is your concern here.

They had no claim to that, any more than New York or Pennsylvania did. Those were the property of the feds.

550 posted on 04/26/2005 3:39:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; 4ConservativeJustices; PeaRidge; stainlessbanner; rustbucket; TexConfederate1861
If you want to talk about opening fire, how about that "opening fire" offered by the Harriet Lane that our friend Pea Ridge, I think it was, mentioned on the other thread?

Harriet Lane's warshot at the passenger steamer Nashville was the first of the Civil War.

551 posted on 04/26/2005 3:41:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Those were the property of the feds.

So we're starting to get a picture here......of what you keep refusing to tell us, who's our daddy?

So you conceive of the Federal Government as being above, as in over, as in the boss and owner of, the American People? Is it the Federal Government who, serene and unperturbable by the mewling of the mob, is the real Sovereign of the United States of America?

Is that your candidate for God Emperor?

552 posted on 04/26/2005 3:44:55 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Harriet Lane's warshot at the passenger steamer Nashville was the first of the Civil War.

No, that would be the confederate batteries at Charleston firing on the Rhoda Shannon a week or two prior.

553 posted on 04/27/2005 2:46:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; 4ConservativeJustices
I notice you conspicuously didn't answer #552. Still waiting......Who owns America? Who's in charge?

<crickets..........>

554 posted on 04/27/2005 3:36:33 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
So you conceive of the Federal Government as being above, as in over, as in the boss and owner of, the American People?

No, just the states.

555 posted on 04/27/2005 3:45:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
No, just the states.

How can the federal government be sovereign over the states, as the states created the federal government? The several states DELEGATED some ENUMERATED powers to Constitution, which then delegated them to the "united" states. They did not delegate the power to prevent secession, or the power to wage war on a state.

556 posted on 04/27/2005 6:19:35 AM PDT by 4CJ (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. || Quoting Lincoln OR JimRob is a bannable offense.)
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