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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: Peach

I hope they have some new information.


1,501 posted on 07/07/2005 4:47:09 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: TexKat

How did she "know" there was a kidnapping??


1,502 posted on 07/07/2005 6:06:09 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Dark Skies
At the Alpha male extreme, there is no sharing. I suggest that Jurine is not an alpha male but a sociopath. In which case, he still is not a sharer. Of course, I could be wrong, but I suspect he did the dirty deed and sharing was not one of his characteristics. Narcissists don't share...not in their nature. Sharing ruins the "me" thing.

Could very well be. In which case, IF the brothers were still around, they may have gone home and left Sloot's sorry butt where he was.

1,503 posted on 07/07/2005 6:09:24 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: texasbluebell

"I am about sick of hearing how Natalie "willingly" left off with these despicable creatures.
I could just scream when I see things like that."

The true response to the statement of her "going willingly" is that she thought she was getting into a taxi with J to go back to her hotel. J and the K brothers DID NOT take her back to her hotel!


1,504 posted on 07/07/2005 6:29:34 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: JustAnotherHolloway
Beth sounded quite firm saying "kidnapped" instead of something else. Sounds like she wants us all to know something.

I agree and wonder if she'll share specific details in the rest of her interview with Greta tonight.

1,505 posted on 07/07/2005 6:36:58 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Palladin; TexKat
Did she also mean to tell us something with regard to the dollar bills? I know there were still some left in Natalee's wallet back at the hotel, but perhaps she had a roll of them in her pocket at C&C's? Might they show up on a beach somewhere? If someone found them, would they just pocket them, or notify police?

I'm playing catch-up on the thread this morning and maybe someone has already thought of this, but if Jug gave Natalee a new pack of 100 one dollar bills, might the bank have a record of the serial numbers? Just wondering if the FBI has those numbers and maybe some were in Joran's possession or found at the VDS house?

1,506 posted on 07/07/2005 6:42:14 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: seekthetruth

Taxis have lit lights on top of the car and special plates.


1,507 posted on 07/07/2005 6:50:27 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper

"Taxis have lit lights on top of the car and special plates"

I read previously that they have special plates, but nothing about "lit lights on top". Even Natalee's friends said "Natalee got into a taxi with J".


1,508 posted on 07/07/2005 6:54:06 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: JustAnotherHolloway
Beth sounded quite firm saying "kidnapped" instead of something else. Sounds like she wants us all to know something.

I think she used the word 'kidnapping' because had she said 'missing', there may not have been the same amount of effort put into looking for Natalee.

Being 18 and an adult, even the police in the US don't consider someone as 'missing' until 24 hours.

The problem though is that there is nothing that we know of to indicate a kidnapping.

1,509 posted on 07/07/2005 6:58:19 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: seekthetruth
I posted this earlier, but will repost.


There was a picture posted way back in one of the earlier threads that showed a taxi with the lit taxi sign up on top of the car.  I would think that it woud be easier to spot than trying to catch the first two letters of a plate that may be moving.

1,510 posted on 07/07/2005 7:14:24 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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Aruban prosecutors appeal brothers' release in missing teen case

Kalpoe lawyer blasts Holloway's mom - CNN

For many Arubans, bad press an unwelcome visitor

More Help Could Be on the Way In Aruban Search


1,511 posted on 07/07/2005 7:17:55 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Rippersnapper

Obviously, there are some taxis in Aruba that have the light on the roof and others that don't. Natalee's friends were accustomed to seeing taxis that didn't have the light on the roof and thought Natalee was getting into a taxi when she got into the Kalpoe car with Joran.


1,512 posted on 07/07/2005 7:18:55 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: hummingbird
If there were any people, in any country, under these circumstances that would not come forward with a tip, I would say that is pretty chickensh*t. I don't think the Aruban people are like that.

And I would agree with you on that.

But to give an example of the kind of "tip" I was referring to, there was an especially relevant exchange last night between Greta and Mr. Twitty.

Greta told Mr. Twitty that Deepak had said he was "no longer friends with Joran," apparently because he resented being implicated by Joran.

(I think Greta's implication was that Deepak might be "turned" in this case and could possibly become a useful source of information.)

Greta then asked Mr. Twitty if he would be "willing" to talk to the Kalpoe boys, who now that they'd been released might be able to give the Twittys information that might answer the question of what happened to Natalee.

Mr. Twitty hesitated -I thought significantly- before answering, "sure we would."

I think he might have been thinking, in that moment of hesitation, that it was hardly likely now that the Kalpoes would want to say anything helpful to the Twittys --now that Mrs. Twitty has branded them "criminals" who'd participated in a "violent crime" against her daughter, and who demanded that no country let them walk in peace amongst them!

So what an irony. The Twittys have likely earned the enduring enmity of the Kalpoes (including the boys' mom), the very people who might be able to give the Twittys the information they so desperately want.

Anyone think the Kalpoes will ever want to help them now ??? Not bloody likely. Yeah, they should do The Right Thing. But that wouldn't be human nature, would it.

So that's exactly what I was getting at. No less than anyone else here, I'm praying that the Twittys get their daughter back. But I think in the last couple of days they've been making grievous tactical mistakes that could end up costing them the very answers they seek.

1,513 posted on 07/07/2005 7:21:34 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: demkicker

Obviously someone left their group and wasn't paying attention to their environment and got into a vehicle with someone they only knew for two days tops. Personal accountablility doesn't only belong to bad people, or the OTHER person. jmo


1,514 posted on 07/07/2005 7:25:20 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat

Got bless Richard Shelby. I hope the Navy can spare some help, but I can already hear the howling resentment from the ankle biters, can't you?


1,515 posted on 07/07/2005 7:26:00 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: gingersnaps
grievous tactical mistakes

that they have remained at all rational in the face of this tragedy is a credit to them. i simply find it hard to believe that anyone is attempting to hold them to any standard of behavior considering the stress, grief and fatigue that they are operating under. even if what you are saying is true, what would YOU do differently? WHO is going to speak for them, run this rescue attempt for them? who do you want to put a public face on this for them? if the arubans cannot understand the mental state that this family is operating under and won't cut them slack for intemperate remarks, then, frankly, i find them inhumane.

1,516 posted on 07/07/2005 7:26:48 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Rippersnapper
Oh no, not you again and the personal accountability rant. Please spare us....


1,517 posted on 07/07/2005 7:28:53 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Rippersnapper
nothing that we know of

those being the operative words. it has been made clear that they know things that they are not at liberty to divulge at this time for fear of entirely compromising the investigation.

1,518 posted on 07/07/2005 7:29:17 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: gingersnaps
Your posts have been right on the money.

Greta told Mr. Twitty that Deepak had said he was "no longer friends with Joran," apparently because he resented being implicated by Joran.

(I think Greta's implication was that Deepak might be "turned" in this case and could possibly become a useful source of information.)

If Deepak is no longer friends with Sloot because Sloot was trying to implicate him, then it is very possible that Deepak had nothing to do with what transpired, so there may be nothing to be gained from a 'turning'.

1,519 posted on 07/07/2005 7:31:59 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: xsmommy
Its clear that they are SUGGESTING that they KNOW something. They SAID THEY WOULD reveal SOMETHING that would DEVASTATE and SHOCK Americans if any of the suspects were released. I guess their word isn't worth much either.

Hasn't happened so I'm thinking they are just bluffing and the Arubans have already called their bluff.

1,520 posted on 07/07/2005 7:35:05 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: elli1

THat's an excellent point, it affects what both people are able to comprehend when they're witnessing it as well as what they can then remember in detail later.


1,521 posted on 07/07/2005 7:36:19 AM PDT by GivemeaBREAK!
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To: xsmommy
I've posted again and again and again that I admire Mrs. Twitty's courage and determination, and that I hope I'd do as well as she under similarly dreadful circumstances.

I've also posted again and again and again that of course it's understandable that distraught parents under these horribly wrenching circumstances would make mistakes -- and that I know I would too.

But I understand that with all the thousands of posts on this topic, you may not have seen all those posts where I have said those things...again and again and again.

So in consideration of that, I'm thinking of constructing a little "disclaimer" box with text inside that effect. Then, I can copy and paste that disclaimer box into every post I make about Natalee just to stave off some of the ...less reasoned...responses.

1,522 posted on 07/07/2005 7:37:35 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: xsmommy

I think the point is that understandably emotional moms looking for a lost and likely dead daughter cannot and should not be relied upon to dispense tactical legal advice. Someone amongst her family, friends, and advisors should have told her not to come out with those statements yesterday.


1,523 posted on 07/07/2005 7:39:56 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: gingersnaps
Anyone think the Kalpoes will ever want to help them now ??? Not bloody likely. Yeah, they should do The Right Thing. But that wouldn't be human nature, would it.

You have got it all wrong again. The boys lied and covered up a crime by their friend or else they were in it together. Look up conciousness of guilt, it is actual evidence in criminal proceedings. They had plenty of time to do the right thing but let 2 innocent men sit in jail because of their lies.

Let the Kalpoes examine their conciouses and do the right thing..quit blaming the Twitty's for pointing the finger at those who truly are despicable and culpable in obstructing justice...

What do you want the Twitty's to do, kiss the Kaploes butts after they did what they did? I suspect a few months ago you were a bleeding heart liberal and still are...how about sending the boys to GITMO and seeing what they have to say? Human nature says the Kalpoes hould get the crap beat out of them and go to jail for covering up things.

Sheesh I imagine you think Bush is responsible for the London bombings too....grow up...

1,524 posted on 07/07/2005 7:42:12 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Rippersnapper

i happen to think they do know things that they can't tell while there is still a chance that Joran can be made to talk. that seems to make sense. were the case closed and then they were to disclose nothing as per their suggestion, i might agree with you. i think it is premature to reach the conclusion you have reached.


1,525 posted on 07/07/2005 7:43:49 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Rippersnapper
Your posts have been right on the money.

Thanks! I do appreciate the kind words.

Anyone else who has posted reasonable and thoughtful responses to me, forgive me if I don't get back to you.

My time in front of the keyboard has been severely limited lately, and what with the terrible news from London this morning, I have a sinking feeling that every chance I get to check into FR, I'll have to use my time looking for news on that topic instead of Natalee.

But my prayers and best wishes are still with Natalee's parents. Anything I've said that is critical of their recent behavior is not meant unkindly, at all. I just hope they take whatever tack is best for them to get the answers they so desperately want.

1,526 posted on 07/07/2005 7:45:59 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: over3Owithabrain

we don't know that someone didn't try to tell her, but she is, after all, other than dave holloway, the person most affected by this tragedy and may feel she should have her say regardless. to her eventual detriment or not, maybe she was not able to be dissuaded.


1,527 posted on 07/07/2005 7:47:19 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Rippersnapper
There was a picture posted way back in one of the earlier threads that showed a taxi with the lit taxi sign up on top of the car. I would think that it woud be easier to spot than trying to catch the first two letters of a plate that may be moving.

Anyone that has visited a foreign country knows there are tons of pirate cabs that are unmarked...it is also likely Natalee just thought she was getting a short ride to the hotel with friends of Joran..whats the big deal.

Welcome to Free Republic to both you snaps, Rippersnapper and Gingersnaps....

1,528 posted on 07/07/2005 7:48:19 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: seekthetruth
I found the other pic.

Aruba.com taxis

Taxis have a vested interest in making sure the tourist can spot them easily. It's how they make their money.

1,529 posted on 07/07/2005 7:53:39 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: rolling_stone

Hmmm ... those newbies are almost clones. It reminds me of at least one other poster here.


1,530 posted on 07/07/2005 7:56:17 AM PDT by maggief
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To: All

I've enjoyed reading this thread; well, as much as I can given the unhappy subject. I missed the thing about phone calls and somewhere there was mentioned a Charles Croes - who is he, please? The DJ was Steve Croes, right? And he's a cell phone supplier?

As for personal accountability: we all make mistakes in judgment. Natalee did not use good judgment. Two friends said they left an hour before she did - but they had no way to know when she left unless someone told them. They said she was NOT drunk then. She must have had some help getting 'drunk' that fast. Especially since they were to leave the next day, one would think NH would turn in earlier.

I think the Kalpoes don't know what happened. And Joran and his father do. And I think they know the body won't be found, either because she's not on the island or the body has been disposed of in such fashion as to make it nonexistent.

In this country, they'd get away with it just like MJ and OJ.


1,531 posted on 07/07/2005 7:57:47 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: rolling_stone
Anyone that has visited a foreign country knows there are tons of pirate cabs that are unmarked...it is also likely Natalee just thought she was getting a short ride to the hotel with friends of Joran..whats the big deal.

I have been to foreign countries and you do NOT get into vehicles that are not marked TAXI. You do not get into a car with three strange men. That is just common sense and should be OBVIOUS.

I'm a long time lurker, been around here since the impeachment days. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make their comments any less valid, no matter how long or how short their actual registration date.

1,532 posted on 07/07/2005 7:59:28 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: xsmommy

That's a good point. I understand that people handle things differently. If I were in her place, I can't imagine being able to stand there and speak coherently without spilling over with tears every second.

Let me say, it irritates the spit out of me that Greta keeps saying Halloway!


1,533 posted on 07/07/2005 8:02:34 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: rolling_stone
You have got it all wrong again. The boys lied and covered up a crime by their friend or else they were in it together.

Clearly you have all the answers. They ought to call you to Aruba so you can sort it all out for them properly.

What do you want the Twitty's to do, kiss the Kaploes butts after they did what they did?

Of course not. But it was a terrible blunder to make permanent enemies of them.

I suspect a few months ago you were a bleeding heart liberal and still are...

LOL! Actually I am, as some say, more right wing than Attila the Hun and just about the oldest and most loyal of FReepers.

I date back to the golden days of bcjohnson (my dear friend and FR mentor), gonzo being grilled by the SS, and the frequent appearances of those wily disruptors, Ash and Eschoir.

(Now anybody who knows the story behind those old names will know I've been here a long time!)

Sheesh I imagine you think Bush is responsible for the London bombings too....grow up...

You sure do leap to all kinds of wild conclusions, based on...what, exactly?

Look, much as I'm in a feisty mood, I'm not going to engage in a pi$$ing contest with you. That's not what Jim Robinson founded this site for, and I know he doesn't like people wasting bandwidth on such silly personal attacks.

1,534 posted on 07/07/2005 8:02:36 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: sarasota; demkicker; Andy'smom; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
Aruban Bulletin Board:

Weed

Member Join Date: June 14th, 2005 Location: Alexandria VA Posts: 44

Re: natalee-opinions and speculations

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Yes, the case. Let's get back to that; let's have a moratorium on criticism of the Aruban authorities for a while and discuss some REASONABLE theories (no aliens, white slavery, etc.) One thing (of many) that bothered me about Greta's interview with Beth about 10 days ago or so, where the two were in Natalee's room at the HI, and Greta commented on the room, what was in it, etc. Beth pointed to Natalee's "packed bags" as evidence that Natalee was ready to leave. What I saw was a large, unzipped duffle bag and what was probably a purse, each on a chair. Greta asked "packed, or never unpacked?" Beth didn't respond, but I think that was a good question. With four girls staying in the room (2 double beds), and for only a 4-night trip, wasn't it more likely that Natalee never unpacked, but just took clothes out of her bag as she needed them? That's what I do, except to hang up a few things in the closet. I almost NEVER put things in the drawers (one time when I did, I left two sweaters behind; it cost $10 to have them mailed back to me). Wonder where her bathing suit(s) was/were. Packed, or hanging up in bathroom to drip dry (presumably, she'd been wearing it Sunday, gone in the water, washed/rinsed it out). If she really was packed and ready to leave, and so organized as Beth keeps insisting, wouldn't she have laid out a set of clothes to wear Monday for the trip back, or at least put them on top of the duffle bag? I'm not saying this proves/disproves a voluntary disappearance, but I don't think one can say for sure that she was already packed.

Also, the room was on the first floor, with a sliding glass door, which could have been left unlocked, if the girls were in and out, and someone could have entered the room that way (Natalee or someone else). Greta asked if it was possible that Natalee had come back to the room and gone out again, and Beth was absolutely insistent that Natalee HAD NOT come back to the room. But how could she be sure, since from what little I've heard, the other roommates may have been out at the pool or in the lobby until very early (5 am), so she could have come back and gone out again without anyone seeing her. Beth also showed Natalee's wallet, with lots of crisp $1 bills for tipping, etc. According to Beth, the only thing missing was Natalee's driver's license. She said Natalee didn't have a credit card; passport was there.

Last night (Wed, Jul 6), Greta had a long interview with Beth about that Monday when Natalee didn't show up in the lobby and Beth was informed. Beth was hazy about the time she got the phone call (around noon or 12:30, I think she said; kind of strange since it had been reported the group noticed her missing when she didn't show up in the lobby at 830 to go to the airport). Beth was in a car in Memphis when she got the call (I wasn't paying close attention, not sure why she was there, but assumed that's where the group was flying in to, vs. Birmingham?). Beth said she was going to pick Natalee up at the airport, since the mother of one of the other girls had taken them there for the outgoing flight. Said she called 911 several times as she was driving, saying "my daughter's been kidnapped in Aruba." Beth drove for a couple of hours at 110-120 mph and was stopped by a policeman (I presume she was driving back to Bham?), whom she also told about Natalee being kidnapped in Aruba. Greta asked how Beth came to that conclusion; Beth said she just knew. Jug arranged for a plane, and they left Birmingham abt 5 or 5:30. Oh, and she said Jug had given Natalee $300 in $1 bills for tips, taxis, food, etc. 300 bills would have been a pretty thick wad; from the view of the wallet (in Greta's interview), it looked like maybe 10-15 were left. I presume Natalee had some other money, or maybe Beth was confused, and it was $300 cash in total, not $300 in ones. So, maybe there is some truth to the story that Natalee approached Joran in the HI casino and said she lost some of her father's money and could he help her win it back (please, I don't know where this came from, but it was weeks ago, I think maybe from one of the VDS parents?), and he won $100 for her.

I believe Weed is incorrect on the amount of one dollar bills that Jug gave Natalee, he post 300 one dollar bills when Beth stated 100 one dollar bills.

1,535 posted on 07/07/2005 8:04:12 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: gingersnaps

"The Twittys have likely earned the enduring enmity of the Kalpoes (including the boys' mom), the very people who might be able to give the Twittys the information they so desperately want."

What makes you think they wouldn't lie to the Twitty's the same way they've been lying to the investigators? For God's sake, they didn't seem to care about the 2 security guards who were rounded up. None of these 3 guys care about anything except saving their own butts.


1,536 posted on 07/07/2005 8:05:13 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: maggiefluffs

If you do not see me for awhile its because it is dark as all getout around here. I can hear the thunder in the distance, I can see the flickers of lightnen, the trees are slightly swaying in the wind at the present.


1,537 posted on 07/07/2005 8:07:40 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Froufrou
Nobody seemed to care if a bed wasn't slept in either. There were 4 in her room. Courtesy would be to let your roommates know that you were sleeping in a different room, if that was what you were going to do that night. That way they wouldn't worry about you and would know that you were accounted for. Had this been Natalee's established practice, these gals would have been alerted to her disappearance right away.

Criminy, we did the club scene on the Riviera, but we still slept in our beds at night.

1,538 posted on 07/07/2005 8:09:04 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat

Stay safe!

Greta left Aruba, (sorry if already posted):

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161786,00.html


1,539 posted on 07/07/2005 8:12:12 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Andy'smom
What makes you think they wouldn't lie to the Twitty's the same way they've been lying to the investigators?

Did I say I thought they'd never lie again? I don't think so.

What I did say, if you read the post, is that Greta seemed to be implying that Deepak might be "turned," as they say in the spy game.

Deepak MIGHT have been a source of help to the Twittys. (To repeat, I just said "MIGHT." I've been using phrases such as "might" and "could be" all along. "Might" and "could be" are different from "definitely will be." Just to be extra clear!)

For God's sake, they didn't seem to care about the 2 security guards who were rounded up.

On the contrary, Mr. Johns said Deepak apologized to him in jail.

1,540 posted on 07/07/2005 8:18:05 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: Rippersnapper

That bothered me, too. It bothered me that they left here at Carlos and Charlies. Maybe they resented the attention she got, or money Joran won for her (if that's not a rumor.) Maybe she and her buds had a little tiff.

There's something wrong with friends not being more cautious when they were leaving early the next day. You'd think the others, had they stayed up later at all, would have become concerned when closing time came and went and still no Nat.


1,541 posted on 07/07/2005 8:19:49 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: TexKat

Stay safe Tex. And thanks for your post on Greta/Beth. Unless I'm missing something, the "kidnapping" is purely gut instinct on Beth's part.


1,542 posted on 07/07/2005 8:20:01 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: TexKat
TexKat, I just wanted to add that when I let loose with my single post yesterday, I wasn't aiming my anger and frustration at you personally! It was more aimed into the ether out there.

By the time I thought to correct the wording, I was already away from the keyboard for the day.

Again I'd like to compliment you for your informative and balanced posts.

And thanks to all who've replied to my thoughts with reasoned and civil posts. (And no thanks to self-appointed thread police, hysterics and assorted cranks and gossip mongers.) With that I've gotta leave for the day.

1,543 posted on 07/07/2005 8:27:08 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: gingersnaps

"On the contrary, Mr. Johns said Deepak apologized to him in jail."

Well, he's in the next cell so I don't see that as counting for much.

The brothers should have gone to the police voluntarily as soon as those guys were brought in and come clean about where they dropped off Joran. I wouldn't trust them at this point.


1,544 posted on 07/07/2005 8:30:44 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: TexKat

" I believe Weed is incorrect on the amount of one dollar bills that Jug gave Natalee, he post 300 one dollar bills when Beth stated 100 one dollar bills.""

I agree, TexKat. I'm sure I heard Beth say it was 100 - one dollar bills.


1,545 posted on 07/07/2005 8:37:29 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Rippersnapper
I have been to foreign countries and you do NOT get into vehicles that are not marked TAXI. You do not get into a car with three strange men. That is just common sense and should be OBVIOUS.

Pardon me, but there have been reports that Natalee met Joran a few days before..of course I haven't heard either his or her side of the story, but if so he was not completely strange to her. I have been to foreign countries and have gotten into vehicles with short term friends where I didn't know everyone in the vehicle..Had she been drugged, would that make a difference? How OBVIOUS would it have been to a drugged person? Would she be able to discern late at night whether the vehicle was a taxi or just a friends car? Would it have made any difference to one who was drugged? Yes bad things can happen in foreign countries, an aquantance of mine went off alone, had valium slipped into their drink and was robbed, thankfully that was all that happened to them...this was an adult male who was warned not to go off alone but did so anyway. People make mistakes but they are still victims of predators.

I'm a long time lurker, been around here since the impeachment days. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make their comments any less valid, no matter how long or how short their actual registration date.

Yes I agree registration date does not make your comments valid. I imagine it is just a coincidence both you and Gingersnaps have been around for such a long time and recently registered.

Have a nice day

rs

1,546 posted on 07/07/2005 8:38:59 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: TexKat

'The Abrams Report' for July 6
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show

Updated: 11:04 a.m. ET July 7, 2005

Guest: Beth Holloway Twitty, Floyd Abrams, Andy McCarthy, Ben

Wolfinger, Bo Dietl, Jeanine Pirro, Jeralyn Merritt

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498010/

'Scarborough Country' for July 6
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show

Updated: 11:11 a.m. ET July 7, 2005

Guest: Randy Hammer, Stacey Honowitz, Tim Miller, Paul Reynolds, Linda

Allison, John Merryweather, Bernard Goldberg

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/


1,547 posted on 07/07/2005 8:39:12 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Andy'smom
Where was the interview with Deepak that Greta has?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161786,00.html

Greta's blog:

After leaving the Van der Sloot house, we headed to the Kalpoe home a short distance away. The Kalpoe brothers' mother opened the door to our knock and talked to us on the porch for about 90 minutes. She has been very friendly in the past but she did not want us in the house today since both boys are now home and she did not want us to talk to her sons. After much talk, we convinced her to introduce us to Deepak (Satish was still sleeping.) We sat down with Deepak and spoke for about 30 minutes (no cameras.) His mother also sat there with us.

We talked about his interrogation, his detention and briefly about Joran. We hope to go back today and have him talk on camera. He may feel more comfortable with us today now that he has met us.

1,548 posted on 07/07/2005 8:45:08 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggiefluffs

Bump and thanks!!


1,549 posted on 07/07/2005 8:46:27 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggiefluffs

I'm surprised to hear Greta left Aruba. I hope this doesn't mean FOX is backing off of the story. Thanks for the udate.


1,550 posted on 07/07/2005 8:47:09 AM PDT by Pepper777
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