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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: shebacal

Thank you shebacal. I have missed you guys.


1,951 posted on 09/18/2005 11:53:43 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
and bears a striking resemblance to the actress Marg Helgenberger

She sure does.

1,952 posted on 09/18/2005 11:56:18 AM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady; TexKat
and bears a striking resemblance to the actress Marg Helgenberger

I hadn't thought of that, but it is clear who should play Beth in the inevitable made-for-TV movie.

1,953 posted on 09/18/2005 12:11:28 PM PDT by gg188
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To: gg188
it is clear who should play Beth in the inevitable made-for-TV movie.

Hubby thought I was crass and insensitive for saying that 2 months ago!

1,954 posted on 09/18/2005 12:14:04 PM PDT by b9
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To: TexKat
The article omitted one paragraph that appears in the "print" version of the article. I will highlight the missing text in bold and include the preceding and following paragraph for context:

With Joran van der Sloot in college in Holland now, Twitty decided to move her base of operations back to Birmingham. "But I'll be flying back and forth to Aruba," she says. "We are not giving up on Natalee. Until somebody shows me otherwise, I have to believe my daughter's alive."

During her last two weeks on the island, Twitty says, she had started to fear for her own safety as strangers followed her everywhere she went. One man in particular stood out because of the scars on his face.

"I'd be in the laundromat and he'd show up. I'd go to a restaurant, and a minute or two later, he'd be there. I feel like I need to be more cautious now, but they're not going to stop me from looking for Natalee."

1,955 posted on 09/18/2005 12:16:55 PM PDT by gg188
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To: gg188

Thank you gg188


1,956 posted on 09/18/2005 12:19:06 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: doodlelady; TexKat
One of the Twitty/Holloway's investigators is writing a book, supposedly soon. I forget where I saw that...

I certainly look forward to both book(s) and movie(s). And though it is a tragedy that thrust her into the public eye, Beth is one helluva woman who has a lot to contribute to all of us if she becomes a public figure, motivational speaker, talk show host, or whatever.

Oh, and I hope the ending to the book/movie is: Urine, Depak, Satish, Rueben, Yellow Jacket, Tito, the prosecutor, the police chief, et al, are in jail for life, and Urine, Satish and Deepak are the "wives" of big, dark, well-endowed men.

1,957 posted on 09/18/2005 12:30:35 PM PDT by gg188
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To: doodlelady

From Beth, Dave and Jug, we have learned self-control, grace, maturity, faith, and how an adult faces unbearable pain and suffering combined with the unfairness and criminality of the actions (and inaction) of evil people. As a man, I cannot imagine the self-restraint Jug and Dave have exercised. For one thing, I would have sent Paul Vander Slut to a plastic surgeon the first time his face was within reach of my fists.


1,958 posted on 09/18/2005 12:35:45 PM PDT by gg188
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To: doodlelady; TexKat
and bears a striking resemblance to the actress Marg Helgenberger

When I first read that sentence, I couldn't place her and thought it was referring to MARY STEENBURGEN, who is from Arkansas, but bears no resemblance to Beth.

1,959 posted on 09/18/2005 12:40:02 PM PDT by gg188
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To: doodlelady
Hubby thought I was crass and insensitive for saying that 2 months ago!

Actually, come to think of it, Mississippian Sela Ward perhaps should play Beth on screen when the time comes.

1,960 posted on 09/18/2005 12:43:17 PM PDT by gg188
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To: gg188

Well, I think their 'restraint' was mostly due to the Aruban authorities who threatened to drop the case if they made any more waves.


1,961 posted on 09/18/2005 12:44:15 PM PDT by b9
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To: gg188

Sela Ward is gorgeous, but Marg Helgenburger from CSI is a ringer for Beth.


1,962 posted on 09/18/2005 12:45:46 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
I posted this before (in June) to give people a glimpse of the mentality in the islands (I lived in the Caribbean when I was young.) Song lyrics from decades ago, by a Trinidadian calypso singer. "Your Own Comes First" ---"outsiders last." Check this out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts?page=3944#3944

1,963 posted on 09/18/2005 12:57:13 PM PDT by gg188
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To: doodlelady

No, No please not her. Remember she played Patsy Ramsey? I have had a hard time liking her since!


1,964 posted on 09/18/2005 1:02:38 PM PDT by HoHoeHeaux
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To: All

I think a movie should be made NOW....that would really get at the Aruban authorities and government if a movie were made portraying their corruption and incompetence...it may put even more pressure on them to put those Scott Peterson-like sociopathic boys and dad back in jail where they belong. It would also further enrage our fellow Americans to badn together and boycott Aruba.


1,965 posted on 09/18/2005 1:07:10 PM PDT by LegalEagle61
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To: doodlelady
...but Marg Helgenburger from CSI is a ringer for Beth.


Marg Helgenburger


Jug and Beth Twitty
1,966 posted on 09/18/2005 1:12:30 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: TexKat
Hey, TexKat, I'm glad to see you back and to know that you and yours are well.

Would you mind making sure I'm on your ping list...thanks.
1,967 posted on 09/18/2005 1:29:46 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: HoHoeHeaux

Yikes! Patsy Ramsey?
Glad we missed that one.


1,968 posted on 09/18/2005 2:04:19 PM PDT by b9
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To: shebacal

oops, Marg is just a little red x


1,969 posted on 09/18/2005 2:05:42 PM PDT by b9
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To: TexKat

Hi... Glad to see your name... have missed you.. hope you are OK...

I am sure we are all still praying and hoping... my commitment to Natalee and her entire family increases every day...


1,970 posted on 09/18/2005 2:20:02 PM PDT by Fritzy
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To: TexKat

Welcome back, TexKat. We missed you.

Would you please add me to your Natalee ping list. Thanks.


1,971 posted on 09/18/2005 2:26:40 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: gg188

You know what I don't quite understand. The Vanderpoops are not FROM the Island... so what's the loyalty there (especially now that the two men are gone?)

And why would there be a single bit of loyalty to the boys from Suriname (if we even know that for sure) ??


1,972 posted on 09/18/2005 2:26:49 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche

The boys might not be FROM there, but they're one of their own, by skewed Aruban standards.

Like the cousin you can't stand, but your family will defend him to the death if an outsider disses him?


1,973 posted on 09/18/2005 2:46:29 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
I don't know why the picture didn't show. Here's the link for Marg Helgenberger's picture:

http://www.allaboutmarg.com/CM/albums/userpics/10012/normal_night59.jpg

If the link won't open up, try copying and pasting:

http://www.allaboutmarg.com/CM/albums/userpics/10012/normal_night59.jpg

into a new browser window. This is a really good picture of Marg

1,974 posted on 09/18/2005 2:51:04 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal
This is a really good picture of Marg

Yes it is. Thanks for reposting.

Surprisingly, Beth is even prettier, don't you think?
She was radiant on the Dr. Phil show. I don't remember her crying with Greta, but she kept her dignity with DP the whole time, even while sad and teary.

She's an amazing mother and teacher.

I don't think any actress could ever really do her justice.

1,975 posted on 09/18/2005 3:05:13 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
Surprisingly, Beth is even prettier, don't you think?

Yes, Beth is beautiful, as well as strong and courageous, beyond what what seems possible. I particularily like this picture of her and Natalee:


1,976 posted on 09/18/2005 3:27:04 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: doodlelady

well I get what you're saying, but there's also the "I've lived here 30 years and I'm still not from here" mentality. It just seems like that'd be even more the case with different 'nationalities'

By the way, that PM,never mind I just found it!!! (I don't know why it was in the kitchen, but there it was)


1,977 posted on 09/18/2005 3:27:26 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche
It just seems like that'd be even more the case with different 'nationalities'

Not with the eeeeevil American media turning over every rock. Them slithery varmits stick together.

1,978 posted on 09/18/2005 3:35:53 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady

You're right! I always forget to factor the anti-american stuff in.


1,979 posted on 09/18/2005 3:42:34 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: doodlelady; shebacal
Beth is even prettier, don't you think

Just what I thought. That whole d@mn family is full of good looking Southern women!

Also, I thought Beth has looked more healthy when I have seen her in interviews the last few days. I am guessing it is because she is back home, sleeping in her own bed and getting more rest.

1,980 posted on 09/18/2005 4:27:33 PM PDT by gg188
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To: TexKat

Thanks, TexKat. Reading this twists the daggar that is already in my heart for Beth. I'm so very proud of her for continuing to fight for the truth about what happened to Natalee. The more publicity Beth gets, the more the tourist industry in Aruba will suffer and that's the way it should be.


1,981 posted on 09/18/2005 5:16:18 PM PDT by demkicker ((Life has many choices. Eternity has only two. Which one have you chosen?))
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To: TexKat

Aruba ,never will go there and I will tell everyone I know.


1,982 posted on 09/18/2005 6:08:36 PM PDT by fatima
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To: doodlelady

Hello There Doodlelady,
I would like to see some paper(death contracts) put on all four of those perps.

I knew they would walk and justice was never the Aruban intent in this case.

I do hope all Americans will boycott that cess-pool and bring them to their knees.

The Holloway's tried to work with a corrupt judicial system, law enforcement authorities and all involved the right way.

The time has now come for achieving justice by whatever means necessary. When one deals with scum like the VDS/Alpos the rule book must be thrown away to obtain real justice.

(Aruba) I hope you all get nuked to hell on a one way ticket.

Justice Perceived is Justice Achieved, but it did not happen yet.

Have a wonderful evening Sweet Doodlelady,
NSNR-WOTB


1,983 posted on 09/18/2005 7:52:41 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
All Hail the Great NSNR has Returned.

Damn ole buddy it was getting lonely around here. Looks like things are ramping back up, glad to see it. I've tried to explain to these Aruban/Dutch idiots that we're not a bunch of surrender monkeys. BOING! Maybe they got the misguided impression from Scared Monkeys.

Like I said, a bunch of F...ing idiots.

See ya around. You did get my mail didn't you?

TAW

1,984 posted on 09/18/2005 8:47:32 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Malichi
One last thing.

I wonder if the monkey next door to the Van der Sloot estate survived Hurricane Katrina.

TAW
1,985 posted on 09/18/2005 8:49:46 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

I don't have the guts to suggest what you are suggesting out loud, but I have to agree...that scenario has been my only refuge in this case....


1,986 posted on 09/18/2005 11:28:36 PM PDT by cherry
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Hello NSNR ~

This is far from over. There will be
N o
S leep
N or
R est
for the guilty, no matter what. Their lives are no longer theirs.
The world has a ringside seat to watch them squirm.

1,987 posted on 09/18/2005 11:45:16 PM PDT by b9
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To: No Surrender No Retreat; TexKat

Threat 'substantial' says new Dutch anti-terror site

16 September 2005

AMSTERDAM — The chance of an attack in the Netherlands is very real, according to a new website launched by anti-terrorism coordinator.

A message on the homepage of the site (www.nctb.nl) said it was unlikely the current threat level of 'substantial' could be reduced in the near future. The four alert levels in the Netherlands are: minimal, limited, substantial and critical.

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=23744&name=Threat+%27substantial%27+says+new+Dutch+anti%2Dterror+site


1,988 posted on 09/19/2005 1:22:02 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: doodlelady; shebacal; Malachi; Dark Skies; Froufrou; penowa; All

(I can never remember everyone to ping)
I got this from a google alert

http://www.hardbeatnews.com/editor/RTE/my_documents/my_files/details.asp?newsid=4816
Dr. Phil’s Aruba Blacklisting Call Slammed
Dr. Phil McGraw
Dr. Phil McGraw



Hardbeatnews, NEW YORK, N.Y., Mon. Sept. 19, 2005: Several Caribbean–born media representatives and community leaders are urging for a strong response from the community following a September 15 call by noted television shrink, Dr. Phil McGraw, for Americans to blacklist Aruba.

The activists made the call on the popular radio show, ‘The Caribbean In Five,’ aired live early yesterday morning on WLIB 1190 AM radio, after Guyanese Chuck Mohan raised the issue that is reportedly dominating the media in Aruba but has been largely absent from media reports elsewhere.

On the Sept. 15th special report on the case of missing Alabama teen, Natalee Halloway, Dr. Phil opined that in moving forward with the investigation disappearance, Americans need to “… tell these people, ‘We will never set foot on Aruban soil again until you stand up and do what you have to do for this young woman.’”

He also urged viewers to write the U.S. State Department, the President and the Aruban government. “They just need to know, ‘There's 270 million people over here that are going to forget you people exist as a destination and see how that works for you. If you're not going to treat Americans with dignity and respect, then you're not going to treat them at all,’” McGraw said, according to transcripts from the show.

And he added, "… I think when you start getting in their pockets in that way then they may just decide where their allegiance is lying and do this thing straight up. And I think we need to bring pressure to bear."


Journalist Colin Moore urged Brooklyn Councilman Kendall Stewart, who was a guest on the show, to help lobby for a strong response to the call by Dr. Phil. While host Bevan Springer called for a letter of complaint to be sent to Ophray Winfrey, whose company, Harpo Productions, produces the show in association with Paramount Domestic Television and King World Productions.

The panelists argued that it could be any other Caribbean destination that could become the next target of the venomous attack while pointing out that many missing persons cases in the U.S. fail to garner as much media attention.

The Aruba Tourist Authority has yet to post a response to the Dr. Phil call on their website but Myrna Jansen, director of the Aruba Tourist Board, told HBN last month that tourism arrivals actually increased recently to the island.

“In fact, June arrival numbers show an increase of over 13 percent from the United States,” Jansen stated in response to a HBN query in mid-August. “July and August have a higher hotel occupancy percentage in comparison to last year (and) the fall looks good.”

David Dennis, a spokesperson for top booking engine, Expedia, also supported Jansen’s claims that there has been no drop off in bookings to the Dutch territory. “There hasn’t been any noticeable change,” he told HBN recently.

Meanwhile, a court last week ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of a U.S. teenager can remain free without conditions - overturning an earlier decision that restricted their travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The three young me - Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, however, remain suspects in the May 30 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to the Aruba prosecutor's office. - Hardbeatnews.com


1,989 posted on 09/19/2005 2:00:50 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche

Good for Dr. Phil. I don't watch his show, but I know that he's very popular so maybe his call for a boycott will have some effect.

God bless Beth and Jug.


1,990 posted on 09/19/2005 5:08:15 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: LucyT

Morning Lucy,
Their perceived threat logic is commensurate with the Mother-Ship,(NOI) doing a snatch&grab operation to rescue Michael Jackson from victimization.

I say, typical liberal hysterical logic and propaganda. Probably Carville or Begela, are in Aruboo directing damage control per the DNC Klintoon Commie Playbook.

This in nothing more than an "international sympathy" ploy for the benefit of Aruba and the four POS who morphed into human form.

I wonder if the,"Faggoty Dutch marines" are on alert? The dutch all remind me of the "Haight Asbury" crowd of the radical sixites "scum morph party."

I only say, what really needs to be said,
NSNR-CSAOTL


1,992 posted on 09/19/2005 7:12:38 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: cherry

Morning Cherry,
I have to disagree with you. For you, like all Patriotic Americans have the (Fire Within) for the truth&justice being voiced.

Some people feel it to be embarassing, impolite and or not P.C. to voice what they feel is just.

Strike the match, for it will pour forth in abundance when lit. The truth will always stand on it's own merit.

When the just shepherds are silenced, then the wolves feed on the innocent flock for eternity.

The voicing of the truth is a powerful weapon. For when the truth is silenced, then the evil one(s)gleefully open "Pandora's Box" for eons to come.

In closing, Cherry you have the intestinal fortitude to say what needs to be said(Truth)

Every Journey Begins With The First Step
NSNR-UMMA






1,993 posted on 09/19/2005 7:29:35 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

mark


1,994 posted on 09/19/2005 7:42:19 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
I say, typical liberal hysterical logic and propaganda. Probably Carville or Begela, are in Aruboo directing damage control per the DNC Klintoon Commie Playbook.

This in nothing more than an "international sympathy" ploy for the benefit of Aruba and the four POS who morphed into human form.

Good morning, NSNR, you may have analyzed the situation correctly, an "international sympathy" ploy, indeed. Did you notice this comment in the article?:

"The website was launched on Friday ( September 16th, 2005 ) and gives up-to-date information about the national anti-terrorism coordinator's assessment of the level of threat."

1,995 posted on 09/19/2005 7:43:18 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: doodlelady

Morning Doodlelady,
The four Psychopaths are resting well, presently.
I am very disappointed in the P.I.(s) case methodology and investigative skills.

The Holloway's were taken advantage of by these phonies, to line their unsavory pockets with cash.

Ward and the other(s) should have taken this case Pro Bono. Their efforts in this investigation were nothing, but eye candy.

I had to laugh when I saw (ward) on TV getting his face time and undeserved credit for doing nothing.

Klowns like ward and crew, suddenly show up on the cess-pool with their "panacea to crime solving,truth seeking technological equipment.

I ask, what did ward&crew accomplish? Well according to my "opossum posse" nuttin.(Not A Damn Thing)

Ward&Crew talked a good game, thus ensnaring the Holloway's via their astronomical desperation in the quest for justice.

The Holloway's monies should be promptly refunded. The the service provided fell far short of the pecuniary interests invested.

Ward&crew just like some of the "federal ivy league cops" never learned this simple syllogism.

In order to get to the tangible/untangible evidence of a homicide, those pristine white gloves of conducting a criminal investigation must be removed."

Layman's term equates to, "in order to find the dirt, one must get down and root in the dirt."

In theory, let's all hope Yogi Berra was correct.
"It Ain't Over Till It's Over"

Closing Remarks, Hey Aruboo!!! Had Enough!!!??????


NSNR-AMERICA(S)MOM









1,996 posted on 09/19/2005 8:22:39 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: TexKat

"Every day, Twitty picks a tiny cross or angel that a well-wisher has sent and carries it in her pocket.

The letters and e-mails are sorted by state, so that she can show them to legislators and congressmen across the country to ask for their support. She is asking Americans to consider not traveling to Aruba until Natalee is found and brought home."

Thank you so much for posting this. What a wonderful person she is. I will support her boycott of Aruba.


1,997 posted on 09/19/2005 8:25:08 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: justche
Hardbeatnews, NEW YORK, N.Y., Mon. Sept. 19, 2005: Several Caribbean–born media representatives and community leaders are urging for a strong response from the community following a September 15 call by noted television shrink, Dr. Phil McGraw, for Americans to blacklist Aruba.

This reminds me of that women in Aruba trying to say that Kalpoe many not have meant anything specific about Natalee when he said "dressed like a slut, talked like a slut". The more the scum of the earth tries to defend the Kalpoe's, PVDS, Joran VDS the better. It keeps the story in the news and it helps to spread the word about Aruba across the USA. It takes a lot to wake the giant.

I was thinking some more about what that woman said last week, between the lines I heard her to say that the Kalpoe's probably thinks all American girls are sluts and that if an American girl gets into their car they have the right to do as they please.

I say keep them talking.

I wonder if Holland has tough right to privacy laws. If it is legal, it would good if someone posted a daily briefing on Joran (location, habits, etc.). This guy needs to be tracked.

1,998 posted on 09/19/2005 8:34:14 AM PDT by LongViewSC
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To: LongViewSC

I keep going back to another blog where two guys from NY or NJ went to Aruba - they got into a local's car, and one of the guys was literally passed out drunk. The local and the other friend nearly got into a fight because the local thought it was his right to take the passed out guy home and do what he wanted to anyway. So I think you're right, it's a way of thinking of taking what is not offered, but there.


1,999 posted on 09/19/2005 8:56:50 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: LongViewSC
This guy needs to be tracked.

From: Riehl World View:

redpetals - this is always a help~~

Joran will be attending TILBURG UNIVERSITY in Holland.

http://www.tilburguniversity.nl/university/

http://www.uvt.nl/webwijs/english/show.html?anr=155659

Posted by: gab | Sep 6, 2005 3:17:36 PM

With a population of nearly 200,000 inhabitants, Tilburg is the Netherlands' sixth largest city

2,000 posted on 09/19/2005 9:25:18 AM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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