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Skip to comments.Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17
Posted on 11/05/2005 1:26:38 PM PST by Slings and Arrows
Oh doesn't that make you gag deetch??? Same type of thing I received from Brisenden (sp?) sometime ago. I must get those emails off today. Actually I think it probably helps when emails come from countries other than the US don't you?
The response was so canned. I sent the person who responded some information like the confession, Dompig's the three "are guilty as hell."
What is enraging is how they keep mentioning that they've spent resources. No doubt that inlcudes the damage control company who outsourced to John Pauly, Steve Cohen and other expenses that they no doubt include which have nothing to do with the investigation.
They refuse to address the security guards truth and the van der sloot lie. They refuse to address the "mistakes" and have the same procedures in place.
It just is not safe for Americans there. Is there a better place to kill Americans than Aruba?
Good to hear. Let's hope ATA gets lots of negative letters and e-mails.
I read a story years ago about a guy who murdered his girlfriend (I forget the reason why). Then his imagination started working on him. He began to realize there was a sketeton attached to his back. He could see it, but noone else could. As he walked around, went to work, ate, tried to sleep, there the skeleton was, always with him. And it started talking to him, whispering in his ear. As I recall, the story ends with him going insane.
Urine, I hope that a skeleton has been forming on your back. I hope your conniving papa and mama can see it, too. I hope the sounds of Natalee struggling for her last breath will stay with you for as long as you live. I hope you can never trust talking to anyone, ever, about what you did to Natalee for fear they will turn you in for the reward.
Paulus, are you still sweating buckets as you relive the nightmare that your son brought on your house? Or did you participate, too, in bringing about Natalee's death? Was it your ATM withdrawal that night that paid for her disposal? How do you like working off Urine's legal debts? How many years will you be working in bondage for that debt? Or, are you just happy to have any job at all, now that your government income has finally ended? You and mama formed the monster, you have only yourselves to blame for the spawn-from-he!!. Do you live in fear of having him living in your home now, afraid that if you lay the blame at his feet, he will turn on you and mama?
As for Dickpooo, when he wants a new car and needs a trade-in or has to get rid of his 'rapemobile' car, I hope he has to stop to think, what if someone buys it and gets it forensically tested and somehow finds rape evidence? Will he just keep it in mama-everybody-lies-alpo's front yard forever, as it rusts away, charging admission to see the place where Natalee was last seen alive? Will this be his source of income in his old age, on the island that only cares about its Dutch citizens? Does he now wonder if the conflicted ALE will find a way to pin Natalee's death on him or his brother, but and not on Urine? Is he the least bit worried about that eventuality?
Have a rotten future, guys, you certainly have a rotten past.
"While her quest to find out what happened to her daughter continues, Beth Twitty told us she was shocked at the information she just received from her lawyer. Aruban authorities have apparently decided to close the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter."
The link is titled "Natalee Holloway's Mom Speaks to CBS2" and is dated 1/6/06
Remember this from Tim Miller last year?
Miller later goes on to say a rather interesting piece of information in that in his discussions with Police Chief van der Straaten that they have enough evidence to prosecute:
MILLER: Ive spent a lot of time with the Police Commissioner van der Straaten, and he told me that he has got enough stuff without a body for prosecution. Our deal is to bring Natalee home. That family needs that body. They need to be able to say goodbye and start their healing process.
Natalee is not alive. Im sorry. And somebody knows. And now were starting to get angry our own self. Were searchers over here on their island, but now Im getting angry.
What can best be described as one of the biggest differences in perceptions in the extent of which Aruban officials and Americans ones are willing to go can best be summed up with Tim Millers next comment.
MILLER: Well, you know, it could be hopeless. But you know what, going back to the familys house, we brought in some special equipment to do wells and manhole covers and stuff. And I would love to get in their backyard, because I understand theres an abandoned well in their backyard that I certainly would like to put this equipment down into. So, I would hope somebody would honor us in letting us us in their backyard to do that. And if I get egg on my face, I get egg on my face. But you know what, I want to clear that.
From the video:
Beth: "Actually, I just received some news yesterday that was very disappointing, from my attorney, that there is a strong possibility that the Aruban officials will close the investigation. They have no intentions of ever reinterrogating or requestioning the three suspects that are involved with her disappearance".
Gee, Sheba, that makes me feel even better. /s Not that this isn't exactly what I was expecting. Still, I felt better when it was not coming from Beth.
Precisely deetch. Any resources they spent were NOT on investigating. Beth and Dave and the family paid for EVERYTHING that was done. Even the dump search. They are pathetic. Your right, they spent resources ONLY on the coverup.
Great place to stay away from.
Penowa, a real investigation was never OPENED. Karin Janssen's file could have been filled with crossword puzzles for all we know. We KNOW that they didn't investigate ANYTHING. I pray that Aruba goes bankrupt.
That's the place that I honestly believe is her grave. Paul Van der Sloot 'WENT CRAZY" when Tim Miller politely asked to use his equipment to search the well and his property. Paul Van der Sloot also has a DEAL with LE that his property WILL NEVER be allowed to be searched. That is WHY THEY ARE SO CONFIDENT, no body, no case.
Wonder why? Maybe to make sure the well is never searched during his lifetime?
Absolutely. He can never sell his house, unless he sells it to Jan VDS or other crony.
If that house could be bought by some wealthy contributor(s) to Beth's cause, the well, cistern, and any fresh concrete or whatever could be dug up...
I'm sure family members and others keep a close watch for that house to go up for sale.
This is what Aruba calls remarkable continuous boom in arrivals from Scandinavia:
Denmark: up by 520% to 62 visitors.
Finland: up by 163% to 42 visitors.
Sweden: up by 152.1 % to 184 visitors.
Norway: down by 8.3% to 44 visitors.
These Scandinavian booming figures will certainly keep the hotels full.
And we have no idea just how many 'free trips' were involved here. Those costs can go under the 'advertising' category much like newspapers give away free papers to pump up their circulation/distribution numbers to justify the rate they charge for advertising. Gimmicks are used to deceive.
I'm sure that 99% of these folks who went to aruba in july were booked in advance, making them meaningless for the purpose that this rag is attempting......this case received only a small amount (relatively speaking) of publicity through all of june. Where's that live video of the overcrowded beaches? Round trip airfare and 7 days lodging for $700?
Pretty soon they'll be eating that stuff they used to feed to the sharks, and the garbage dump will look like the ones in messico city, over-run with 'residents'. Good thing the Dutch are tolerant, because sooner or later the real arubans will rise up and bite them.....
Considering the previous posts in regard to tourism that have been excerpted from Aruban newspapers, and the fact that this item on the Aruba bulletin board has no link back to the official govt. numbers, I think they need to move those beach cameras we've been looking at to the place on the beach where all these tourists have pitched their tents and are sleeping! Or maybe Aruba has turned into Vegas II, and the tourists are going there to stay in the casinos 24/7 and never check out the beaches. Can we assume all these 24/7 hardcore gamblers have paddled a canoe from Europe or FL since they didn't fly in and didn't arrive on a cruise ship?
Do you have any pictures from today penowa??
Speaking of pictures, can someone confirm if this is THE Aruba Dirty Cop, Dennis Jacobs.
Do the other 2 realize they could snag $250k by talking.
boycott ain't working?
The following from the Prosecutors office and confirmed by the MSM:
ORANJESTAD - The team in charge of the investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has a strong suspicion that the young lady in question has lost her life as a consequence of a punishable crime committed against her.
Also, the team is of opinion that there are person(s)who have more information that have not given statements to the police. With this communication, the investigative team is asking all persons who can give more information in relation to the case of Natalee Holloway to contact the police. The team guarantees that all persons who call will be able to speak directly to commissioner Dompig and will remain anonymous.
After seven months of investigation we finally get this acknowledgment the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has a strong suspicion that the young lady in question has lost her life as a consequence of a punishable crime committed against her.
I guess all the other theories can now be put to rest, runaway, drowning, etc.
Did we really have to go beyond Gerold Dompigs statement, these boys are guilty as Hell.
I think the boycott is having a detrimental effect on the Aruban hotel industry, which the Aruban officials are trying to avoid admitting.
The Aruba Tourism Authority and the Central Bank of Aruba have only just now released the numbers for the July, 2005 hotel occupancy rate, and there are no numbers yet for Aug thru Dec, 2005.
We do have this from the CBA, posted, I think, in Oct, 2005:
"ORANJESTAD-The amount of stay-over arrivals in Aruba grew by 10.6 percent in June 2005 in comparison to June 2004. With a total of 59,622 stay-over arrivals in June 2005 it is the busiest June month in the history of tourism on the island. The average hotel occupancy rate stood at 78.3 percent in June 2005 in comparison to 70.7 percent in June 2004, an increase of 7.6 percentage points. For the second consecutive year there is no low-season in Aruba."
NOTE, how things were in June, when most people were already booked into the hotels, and before there was a call for a boycott for Natalee.
Then this was posted by CBA:
"November 8th 2005, Aruba.
ORANJESTAD-According to the monthly bulletin released by the Central Bank of Aruba on November 8th, average hotel occupancy rates fell by 6.2 percentage points in September 2005 in comparison to September 2004. The average hotel occupancy rate stood at 69.3 percent in September 2005, the lowest occupancy rate since June 2003. The number of stay-over arrivals for September 2005 is not given as of yet by the Aruba Tourism Authority. However a decline in stay-over arrivals is expected. This may be attributed to the busiest hurricane season on record, record breaking energy costs and the Natalee Holloway affaire."
NOW, we find out that after having June, 2005 with an increase over June, 2004 of 10.6%, and after Natalee's disappearance and the botching by ALE of her case became generally known, for July, 2005 over July, 2004 there was an increase of only 0.04%. So, there was, in one month, a year-to-year visitor increase comparison drop from 10.6% down to 0.04% of visitors.
THEN, on Nov 8th, CBA reported the average hotel occupancy rates fell by 6.2% in September, 2005 in comparison to September, 2004.
SO, although Aug, 2005 isn't reported, we do have:
June-05 compared to June-04: s/o visitors up by 10.6%.
July-05 compared to July-04: s/o visitors up by 0.04%.
Aug.-05 compared to Aug.-04: not reported.
Sept-05 compared to Sept-04: s/o visitors fell by 6.2%.
IF, we could see the actual hotel occupancy numbers for Aug thru Dec, 2005, we would see just how effective the boycott has been thus far.
The new high-powered advertising group is going to focus on corporate conference and other kinds of group trips to Aruba. Maybe that will offset the American vacationers who have sympathy for Natalee and Beth, and go elsewhere for their island vacations. It may be enough to keep Aruba afloat. We will have to wait and see.
Have you forgotten C.O. that I'm a computer illiterate and couldn't post a picture if my life depended on it? I haven't got any anyway. If I knew how to post pix, I'd put that bottle of spray stuff up they are advertising on cable that is supposed to get the smell of urine out of carpet, etc. anytime anybody mentioned Urine's name! (The Urine in a circle with the slash through it.)
Bring up a website that has the picture you want to post.
Right click on the picture, click on 'Properties'. Use mouse to highlight the Address (URL) such as:
Right click on the highlighted Url and click 'Copy'.
Then go to FR posting website, and in 'Your Reply' box, paste the copied Url.
Then in front of the http type:
Just the left arrow sign, leaving out the parenthesis, and follow with img with no space after the left arrow, then a space between img and src, then no spaces between src and ". (<)img src="
and type this at the end of the .jpg of the Url:
" the right arrow sign with no space and no prenthesis.(>)
The trouble with typing the line just as it should look is that the picture will post, not the instruction line.
Lastly, click on 'Preview' to test it out. If the picture does not appear, try screaming and tearing your hair. That always works.
Thank you Sheba. I copied your post. Tomorrow I will hunt for something and see if I can do it. If not, I will beat my head on the keyboard first and then pull half of my hair out after that. If that doesn't work, I'll try screaming first, then pull the remainder of my hair out as you suggest.
LOL - too funny!!
I just don't believe it. Now this is plausible.
Forensic experts are investigating a letter reportedly written by Natalee Holloway from a secret hiding place, confessing that she ran off in Aruba out of shame that she was PREGNANT.
The letter was turned over just weeks ago to Aruban police and was immediately sent to Holland, the island's mother country, for scientific testing to determine if it is a breakthrough clue in the seven-month-old case of the missing 18-year-old from Alabama.
"In the letter, Natalee tells her mom that she's sorry for all the pain she's caused her family," said a source close to the investigation. "She said that she was already pregnant when she got to Aruba and that she was too embarrassed to tell anyone. Natalee said she decided she had to run away to have the child because she didn't think anyone back home would understand her."
That letter is a load of crap! American girls who are pregnant and unmarried no longer run away in shame and hide. That is ludicrous. They have their babies and parade them around in the limelight, like numerous film stars do. It's "in" to be a single mom nowadays. In the USA in some communities, 50 % of babies born are to single moms.
Natalee's mother, while she might disapprove, is a religious woman who would embrace her daughter and grandchild-to-be in such a situation. The family has plenty of money, so the baby would be privileged.
The letter is a hoax, and an extremely bad one, at that.
To not distract from the theme of this thread - I'm just going to say as a single mom (and Palladin, you're well aware I've voiced this on other threads) - you don't get to complain about single moms in one breath - and abortion in the next - *mumbling about the ugly drumbeat from the conservative folks - who laugh about boys and their gentlemen clubs - and throw all sorts of comments out there about single moms*
do I have to go to the site to see him deetch???
LOL - yes I had forgotten that.
What's that all about?
All I'm saying is that it's no longer a disgrace to have a baby while unmarried in the USA. Therefore, the idea behind the hoax letter is ridiculous.
I guess I didn't phrase it correctly.
We haven't been hanging Scarlet Letter A's on women for having babies out of wedlock in over fifty years.
One of my own daughters had a baby without benefit of marriage when she was 17. We raised our grandson until he was six, and she was out of college, and married to a good man.
I certainly didn't mean to offend.
You're not a movie star, are you?
Yup, just teeming with people LOL!!
ROTFLMAO!! I need to write all that down and then practice. I work on computers all day everyday and yet I can't do some of the simplest things. I guess it's just because I haven't MADE myself learn to.
Oh for God's sake, it's stink weed again!! or is that poison ivy??? Either one fits.
che I'm one of those Christian Conservatives and I don't have anything ugly to say about single moms. God Bless them for keeping their babies and taking responsibility.
Thanks for saying it best of all.
Fits dontchya think?
ya I know.......you all want her dead. I don't. I think she's alive and the phone call and letter offer hope.
Incidentally did you watch Sharon Rocha on Greta tonight? She said that the four months that they had to wait before Laci was found was absolute torture. She said she just can't imagine how Beth is coping. Sharon said she knew Laci was dead but that she just HAD to bring her home. She just had to. Who better to explain that kind of pain than Sharon?
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