She's dead, Jim. Let her rest in peace.
Posted on 01/22/2006 11:35:40 AM PST by LouAvul
my mother didnt have a living will and my sister and father kept her alive tho she had no quality of life whatsoever. she had dementia for many years and many strokes. our family was well aware of the fact that she DID NOT want to be kept alive yet my father and sister were able to do it. i myself would not want to be kept alive like my mother was but i would not want to be dehydrated and starved to death either. so my family is well aware that i should be let to die when the time comes as fast as possible.
One word: "circumstances".
I didn't know you had ever spoken to Terri. Oh, that's right--you didn't! You're quoting the testimony of the same man that demanded her death by starvation, as corroborated by his siblings and contradicted by everyone in the wife's family, as if it were indisputable truth. The standard of evidence that satisfies you a person should be starved to death, is appallingly low. But I guess there's poetic justice in the fact that, when you're old enough for a cerebral incident to be likely, the Terri Schiavo standard will probably be standard, and will allow your kids to pull the plug on you.
I'm a troll? LMAO!!!!! I gave my opinion and you don't make the rules how I or anyone else around here does. I'm no liberal and you are not educated in the truth about Michael Schiavo. There is many old threads around here where you can find the truth if you want,but I have a feeling you only believe what you want to believe. And i guess that makes you the liberal troll!
You've asked me that before on old Terri threads and in private Freepmails. I will answer for you again, no, I do not believe that everyone should be kept alive by whatever means no matter what treatment, what cost, and what prognosis. We all must die one day. It will happen one way or the other.
I just read through the GAL report again. I did not find out anything I didn't already know.
When did I say that Terri was not ever swallow tested? She was tested 3 times many years ago, 1991, 1992, and 1993. You may be confusing that I was saying that she was not readministered any new swallowing tests when Wolfson recommended that she be given them. His report was Dec. 2003.
Don't accuse me of lying about swallow tests. I did not lie in my posts. Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying, but I did not lie.
Don't make assumptions about where I actually stand on this issue. I fully believe that people who don't want to be kept alive by artificial means should have their wishes respected. It's just that Terri didn't have her wishes in writing and I am of the belief that Michael had a hand in her initial episode. It's hard to accept that he was the one who had the power to pull the plug when some of her friends were of the belief that, at the time of her collapse, she was getting ready to leave him. Just really a sad situation all around.
Not you. Another person in the thread.
refresh my memory of your theory. If Michael had a hand in her original episode, why did he work so hard to help her the first few years?
>>Buddy you don't know jack about me and how I feel about this case.<<
You are absolutely right on that note. I did make a conjecture based on the way your posts were going, but I really do not know squat about you and how you feel about anything.
You wrote "Oh my, go away!"
You call that an opinion on my post or this thread? Seems more of your opinion of me after reading my post.
Perhaps I should post my opinion of you. Oh yeah, I did in my reply.
There is many old threads around here where you can find the truth if you want,but I have a feeling you only believe what you want to believe.
Here's the truth:
An autopsy concluded that Terri Schiavo did not suffer any trauma before her 1990 collapse.
A medical examiner says there was no evidence of strangulation or other trauma leading to the collapse.
The autopsy also found that her brain was about half of normal size when she died.
Schiavo lapsed into a vegetative state 15 years earlier after her heart stopped beating for several minutes. Some experts testified during a trial that her condition was brought on by a severe chemical imbalance brought on by an eating disorder.
The medical examiner, Jon Thogmartin, said Wednesday that no trauma was noted on any of the numerous exams in the days after, weeks after or months after the collapse. No evidence of strangulation was found and her heart was normal. She died of "marked dehydration," she did not starve to death, Thogmartin said. He said she suffered no neglect or abuse.
So what "facts" do you have that dispute what I said?
Um, did you? The only fact we have to go off is the testimony in a court of law. Testimony from three separate individuals. How many individuals would it have taken to convince you? Not the opinion of fruits that were protesting outside the hospice harming the local economy, actual witnesses to the testimony.
The only thing I saw were heartbroken parents used by a number of kooks trying to get their mugs on the news (namely Randall Terry, Alan Keyes, and their respective hanger ons)
He was living with her as his wife and had two kids with her while he was trying to have his ex-wife killed. You shouldn't be deciding your former wife's fate while you already have a new wife. Kind of a conflict of interest, isn't it?
So you think Dehydrating a brain damaged person is ok than huh? That is Euthanasia and only Liberals believe that is ok and good. I think you should go to DU, you might fit in there better.
Yes, I do forget how much time he refused to have her teeth be cleaned by a professional, but it was many years, 8 or 10 I think, but I cannot remember exactly. His reasoning was that a simple brushing would be sufficient for someone who isn't using her teeth. He must have forgotten to consult any dentist, because one could have easily told him that her teeth would decay without a thorough cleaning every six months.
lol. What are you a psychic detective? How do you know what was in his head? People are the sum of their actions. His actions, in no way, represented "love". They were and are the sum total of a narcissistic unadulterated, adulterer jerk.
Precisely. And the only fact developed in the court is that the plaintiff, his brother and his sister all claim that Terri Schiavo made statements supporting the plaintiff's case. By contrast, all of Terri's family and friends agreed in their testimony to the opposite effect. The testimony of one friend was thrown out due to a reversible error of fact on the part of the judge, and which he refused to reconsider when the error of fact was pointed out.
How many individuals would it have taken to convince you?
It would rather depend who the individuals were. When one of the three is the plaintiff, and the other two have evident reasons to support the plaintiff, then their testimony doesn't bear that much weight with an intelligent man.
Not the opinion of fruits that were protesting outside the hospice harming the local economy, actual witnesses to the testimony.
So saying, you casually dismiss Terri's family members' and friend's testimony--while you just as casually treat the plaintiff's self-serving testimony as unquestionable. Odd. Then again, not so odd.
So that's the standard, eh? In that case, why don't you recap your conversations with Terry for us, since you feel they give you enough evidence of her wishes to accuse her husband of murder.
You're quoting the testimony of the same man that demanded her death by starvation, as corroborated by his siblings
That's right -- three different people each relating a different occasion in sworn testimony which a judge found rose to the level of "clear and convincing evidence" of Terri's wishes. How many more people do you think were in on this conspiracy of cold-blooded murder?
and contradicted by everyone in the wife's family
Excuse me if I'm just a little bit sceptical of the claims of the family behind the fraudulent balloon-following-the-eyes video (not the eyes-following-the-balloon video, since the autopsy showed she was blind).
The standard of evidence that satisfies you a person should be starved to death, is appallingly low.
In Florida law a verbal statement is considered just as binding as a written statement in these matters, and Terri made them to three different people all on different occasions.
But I guess there's poetic justice in the fact that, when you're old enough for a cerebral incident to be likely, the Terri Schiavo standard will probably be standard, and will allow your kids to pull the plug on you.
I certainly hope so since, like three quarters of Americans, I wouldn't want to be forced to be kept alive like that.
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