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Anyone watching the press conference about the accidental shooting in Texas?

Posted on 02/13/2006 9:39:43 AM PST by tsmith130

What keeps McCellan from taking off his shoe and throwing it at these people?! I'd last a nanosecond in that job. They keep badgering him about the EXACT time of everything. They're pissing over a few hours!


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To: Carolinamom; All

Thanks for the info - I just cannot believe how blown out of proportion this is - at least they're not talking about NSA or Plame leak ; )


351 posted on 02/13/2006 11:44:51 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: dirtboy

20 hours.................... get it right.


352 posted on 02/13/2006 11:45:32 AM PST by beyond the sea (Let's give them something to talk about............. howaboutlovelovelove?)
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To: newnhdad

The media will find every negative they can: Buckshot, ICU etc, and they'll run with it!


353 posted on 02/13/2006 11:45:32 AM PST by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: All

If Clinton had shot someone during one of his hunting expeditions, they would be falling all over themselves with stats about how common it is, how the other guy was in the wrong spot, how apologetic he was about it all, etc. And of course it's quite OK to drown all your children if you're a bit depressed...! What a crazy world we're in now!


354 posted on 02/13/2006 11:46:03 AM PST by BonnieJ
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To: A Citizen Reporter

In their futile search for 'The Story' look for an interview w/Vietnam veteran John Kerry, intrepid duck hunter dressed in his barn coat and entoning about how HE would have been more careful since he was trained in handling guns for his Vietnam service, and he KNOWS about wounds since he has 3 Purple Hearts.


355 posted on 02/13/2006 11:46:24 AM PST by Carolinamom (I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. ---Ronald Reagan)
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To: dirtboy

Yeah, and your failure to answer proves my point.

This was a MINOR hunting accident. No laws were broken, national security was not compromised, and there was no information here that makes it relevent to keep discussing for more than an initial report.

Please elaborate on the value of continuing to discuss this in the media days after the event occured.


356 posted on 02/13/2006 11:46:51 AM PST by 1L
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To: 1L

You mean the "value" to someone other than DUmmies?


357 posted on 02/13/2006 11:48:38 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: Primetimedonna
Matt Lauer: “Buckshot Katie... buckshot! Remember “The Getaway” with Steve McQeen?!”

Katie Couric:“Ball-bearings... it's like ball-bearings... right Matt?!!”

358 posted on 02/13/2006 11:50:18 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: johnny7

You're kidding, right? They did NOT say that . . .


359 posted on 02/13/2006 11:51:13 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: Howlin
It would probably cause more trauma to remove them than the pellets caused themselves in the first place. Number 8 birdshot is pretty small stuff, and there are a lot of vital organs and major blood vessels in that area. They'll probably just load him up on antibiotics to knock the risk of infection down, and let nature take it's course.

I wonder if he'll have enough metal in him to set off the metal detectors when he flies? Could be an interesting story to tell the screener - "Yeah, the Vice President plugged me!"

360 posted on 02/13/2006 11:52:07 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: 1L
Yeah, and your failure to answer proves my point.

No, your believing such shows you really are not being objective here.

This was a MINOR hunting accident.

Sorry, but the Veep is a major elected political figure. Him injuring someone in a hunting accident is a signficant story. For you to insinuate otherwise is absurd.

361 posted on 02/13/2006 11:55:59 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: Carolinamom

I thought it was #8 bird. If he got hit in the face and neck with buckshot at 30 yards, he is almost certainly going to be very seriously wounded, much more so than the reports are implying.


362 posted on 02/13/2006 11:56:11 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: cricket
still hoping for an answer. . .anyone know if Cheney shot the Quail?
363 posted on 02/13/2006 11:56:46 AM PST by cricket (Truth - the first enemy of a Leftist. . .)
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To: beyond the sea
Right!!!!!!!!!!! Bring back ARI!!!

They should have cloned Ari before he left.

That said. . .Scott vs the media is like a boy. . .taking on the mafia. I feel his pain. . .

364 posted on 02/13/2006 11:58:57 AM PST by cricket (Truth - the first enemy of a Leftist. . .)
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To: clawrence3
Correction... McQueen
365 posted on 02/13/2006 11:58:58 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: cricket

me too///


366 posted on 02/13/2006 12:04:18 PM PST by beyond the sea (Let's give them something to talk about............. howaboutlovelovelove?)
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To: JFC
Watching the news conf a second time shows even more how stupid the media has become

Their arrogance is beginning to have an aroma. . .

. . .and they cannot help but betray themselves. They are a pathetic and outrageous reminder of what America's 'free press' has become.

367 posted on 02/13/2006 12:05:07 PM PST by cricket (Truth - the first enemy of a Leftist. . .)
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To: BluH2o

I completely agree about McClellan looking weak... but I've heard that he has a history with Bush and that he was awarded this job. No one can say that they can't find anyone better...


368 posted on 02/13/2006 12:07:23 PM PST by ruschpa
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To: newnhdad

This press conference has turned into a farce. Beam me out of here Scotty.


369 posted on 02/13/2006 12:08:13 PM PST by defenderSD (¤¤ If ecoterrorists attack my SUV, I'll taser them. ¤¤)
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To: Carolinamom
“Can I get me a hunting license around here?” -Kerry 'Ohio-Speak'

“Is it feasable for me to procure the neccessary documentation for wildlife-management in this establishment?” -Kerry 'Massachusetts-Speak'

370 posted on 02/13/2006 12:09:50 PM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: dirtboy
BRAVO, to each and every one of your posts.

I am only about half way through the thread, but I can't believe that other Freepers are blasting you on your opinion.

THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ACCIDENTLY SHOT A MAN

How is this not major news? I think the press are acting like idiots, but if there is one major flaw within this administration, it is PR ineptitude! How many times have we complained about their lack of response time? I can think of a few examples. This is may not be the case, but it does look like the WH was stalling. I don't think it was because of the Sunday talk shows, or anything stupid like that. I (this is only my speculation) think that the man that was shot, was probably more medically unstable than what we are being told. I don't know if it was from his injuries, or maybe a preexisting condition, but let's face it, you aren't put in ICU for "flesh wounds", unless their is something else in your body system that is going on.

My scenario goes something like this, (again speculation only) 1) VP Cheney sprays a man with birdshot, 2) He is rushed to nearest hospital, where at the time his condition is unstable 3) AFTER his condition stabilizes (the next day), the VP then gives permission for disclosure.

I don't think this was done maliciously, but under an abundance of caution. They wanted to make sure they could say the man was going to be OK, before they spoke to the press, but in my mind it was a poor decision. If Scott's timeline was correct, this would fit everything perfectly.

Flame away, I am not posting and running, I will be back later to respond.

Once again, BRAVO dirtboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

371 posted on 02/13/2006 12:12:36 PM PST by codercpc
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To: codercpc
We simply disagree on newsworthiness:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1577718/posts
372 posted on 02/13/2006 12:14:17 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: codercpc
I think the press are acting like idiots,

I think that's part of the problem here. We're so used to the incessant press attacks on the Admin that we tend to immediately counter them, since just about all of them are groundless - but sometimes there is a basis and we should be careful not to defend just for the sake of defending. Sometimes a few lumps are in order, if anything to knock some sense into the Bush Admin regarding their weak spots.

In this case, I think the White House screwed up in taking so long to release the news - it creates the impression that there was something to hide. Like you said, they don't seem to understand how to manage the press cycle.

But this was a major story - thanks for the kind words.

373 posted on 02/13/2006 12:16:58 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: NautiNurse

Hannity about to play press conference clips after the break.


374 posted on 02/13/2006 12:18:03 PM PST by CedarDave (Vietnam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: tsmith130

A few points to cover for general information before things get too far off tilt..

TEXAS HUNTER EDUCATION:
Every hunter (including out-of-state hunters) born on or after Sept. 2, 1971, must successfully complete a Hunter Education Training Course.
DICK CHENEY EXEMPT FROM HUNTER EDUCATION REQUIREMENT IN TEXAS

TEXAS BLAZE ORANGE LAWS
All persons on public hunting lands (state, national forests, and grasslands) during daylight hours when hunting with firearms is permitted must wear at least 400 square inches of hunter orange material with orange headgear, and at least 144 square inches appearing on both chest and back.

Exempt from these requirements are:
persons hunting turkey, migratory birds, alligators, or desert bighorn sheep;
persons within the enclosed passenger compartment of a motor vehicle; or
persons within a designated campground, designated vehicle parking area, designated boat launching facility, or departmental check station.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE PARTY WERE REPORTED TO BE WEARING "HUNTER ORANGE".



From a personal side... You hunt quail with small shot - 7 - 7 1/2 - 8 size, very small. Any larger that 7 (6-5-4 = duck) and you tear up the bird too badly. "BB" size.. - you are talking about geese. Would never be used on a quail.

FWIW..


375 posted on 02/13/2006 12:19:39 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: newnhdad

I'm going to take a wild-assed guess and say number #9 birdshot. Those shot are .09" in size @ 585 per ounce. That's a fat pencil point. Cheney reportedly was using a 28 Gauge shotgun. The shootee was reportedly 30 yards away. At that range clothing should have stopped some of them.


376 posted on 02/13/2006 12:21:39 PM PST by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: UPcrawfish

The arrogant know-nothing press have made themselves the story now.


377 posted on 02/13/2006 12:22:19 PM PST by Carolinamom (I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. ---Ronald Reagan)
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To: dirtboy

Seriously, 18 hours OVER A WEEKEND is "so long"?! I was just joking above, but now I really want to know your opinion - if something similar happened at midnight and the press release was released first thing 9:00 a.m., would that be "so long"?


378 posted on 02/13/2006 12:23:25 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: dirtboy

As much as I despise the MSM... I have to agree this was probably poorly handled by Cheney's media team. This was bound to get out. Why not release it earlier?


379 posted on 02/13/2006 12:26:33 PM PST by ruschpa
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To: clawrence3
Seriously, 18 hours OVER A WEEKEND is "so long"?!

Yes, it is. It is a major story when the Vice President of the United States is involved in an accidental shooting. News cycles nowadays run on minutes, not hours.

The only reason for any delay in issuing a press release would be to wait until Whittington's family is notified and he makes it to the hospital, and to notify the local police that the newshogs might be descending in force so they can start to get ready. That takes what, four to six hours? At the very latest, release it first thing the next morning.

In another article, it is claimed that Cheney wanted the ranch owner to go public with the story. That is nuts. Cheney is part of the White House. They have top PR professionals, or at least should. They should be the ones on top of the news cycle here.

380 posted on 02/13/2006 12:28:39 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: ruschpa
I used to feel the same way about Scott, but I've gotten a new respect for him, simply because of the fact that he is totally unflappable! No matter what they spew at him, despite their best efforts at throwing him, he never loses his cool.

He drives the shrieking hyenas in the White House press corps nuckin' futz with his calm demeanor. Thus, causing them to foam at the mouth and shriek even louder, asking ever more stupid questions, making themselves look even more ridiculous.

Yes, I still miss Ari - he was wonderful, and had a sense of humor that Scott unfortunately does not possess, but Scott has definitely "won his wings" IMHO.

381 posted on 02/13/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Primetimedonna
I don't mean a personal apology, I mean an apology for the delay. The delay was obviously a mistake; is that so hard to say?? It feeds into the tinfoil hat mentality. The reason he gave for the delay was to be sure Whittington was getting the best care he could. There'd be a lot less anger in the MSM if they'd announced this as soon as he was safely in the ICU at the trauma center; i.e., Saturday evening.
382 posted on 02/13/2006 12:30:13 PM PST by ER Doc
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To: ruschpa
I have to agree this was probably poorly handled by Cheney's media team. This was bound to get out. Why not release it earlier?

I think he might have been too shaken up to think through this - it's not every day that you accidentally shoot someone - and in another article, he said that he wanted the ranch owner to make the story public, which is a sign that he wasn't thinking clearly.

But someone needed to gently tell him that the White House needed to break the story in a timely manner as to not create more problems. I see this as a screwup in the White House.

383 posted on 02/13/2006 12:31:22 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: dirtboy

Yeah - we already know your answer to my first question - how about answering my second question now?


384 posted on 02/13/2006 12:32:28 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: ruschpa

If something similar happened at midnight and the press release was released first thing 9:00 a.m., would that be "too long" in your opinion?


385 posted on 02/13/2006 12:33:21 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Belasarius

386 posted on 02/13/2006 12:34:17 PM PST by debg
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To: clawrence3
" really want to know your opinion - if something similar happened at midnight and the press release was released first thing 9:00 a.m., would that be "so long"?"

I've answered that multiple times. They should have released it by first thing the next morning at the latest, and probably earlier.

387 posted on 02/13/2006 12:35:22 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: sageb1

Or on SUNDAY! Day of Rest! Hullo... 150 years ago, that's all people were ALLOWED to do on Sunday, was rest. Now it's all about getting things done you don't have time the rest of the other 7 days a week. *FEH*


388 posted on 02/13/2006 12:38:43 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: dirtboy
But someone needed to gently tell him that the White House needed to break the story in a timely manner as to not create more problems. I see this as a screwup in the White House.

The White House didn't release the story until it made sure, this time, that the mayor of Los Angeles was notified.

389 posted on 02/13/2006 12:40:14 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: dirtboy

Thanks for answering - we will have to agree to disgree on this one.


390 posted on 02/13/2006 12:40:36 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: 1L
<< No laws were broken, >>
I'm not a lawyer, but actually, wouldn't this be chargeable under whatever Texas calls "reckless discharge of a firearm?" A misdemeanor, since Whittington apparently wasn't seriously injured. I know the landowner called it Whittington's fault, but I think the lawyerly phrase is "strict liability" when you fire the gun that accidentally shoots your buddy.
391 posted on 02/13/2006 12:42:11 PM PST by ER Doc
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To: sinkspur
The White House didn't release the story until it made sure, this time, that the mayor of Los Angeles was notified.

Good one, sink.

392 posted on 02/13/2006 12:42:27 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: ER Doc; All
I don't get it. MSNBC had this on their website on Saturday night. Well, that's when I saw it anyways. It was late, though... but still, it was there. What's with this whole Delay crap? Oh, are they going after Tom again?

:P:P

Honestly, though... the MSM is *obviously* trying to create problems for the administration, anyone with a brain can see that. Appearances to the media can deceive, but we all know what morons they are, so no big deal. It was a SMART thing to delay it past the Sunday talk shows. I think it's all being made up that they actually DID that, because I KNOW I saw it on my MSN Alerts as breaking news on Saturday night, then MSNBC.com, and then again yesterday morning at Yahoo.com.

Maybe the Press Corps should start doing their job and actually do the research.
393 posted on 02/13/2006 12:44:00 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: Howlin

I just got back home. Sean Hannity replayed the reporters' questions and I was wrong about WMD. The reporter asked if this was reminiscent of the levee problem.


394 posted on 02/13/2006 12:46:23 PM PST by Peach
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To: ruschpa
I completely agree about McClellan looking weak... but I've heard that he has a history with Bush and that he was awarded this job.

Perhaps ... Dede Miers, Clinton's first press secretary (who was obviously in way over her head) had a history with the Clintonistas and they didn't waste any time getting rid of her. Although, as I recall, it was made to appear it was her idea to leave.

395 posted on 02/13/2006 12:48:43 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: tsmith130
Maybe Cheney knew the MSM would misrepresent facts so he didn't tell them?
396 posted on 02/13/2006 12:48:58 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: dirtboy
Do you even know the difference between BIRD shot and BUCK shot?

Well, then... maybe you can tell us why this is such a HUGE deal when someone got shot with BBs. :D
397 posted on 02/13/2006 12:52:22 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Unless it was John Kerry and someone gave him a freakin' medal. :P


398 posted on 02/13/2006 12:54:06 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: Carolinamom
Hospital press conference on FOX now.

You've got to be kidding me

399 posted on 02/13/2006 12:55:15 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Jhohanna
Do you even know the difference between BIRD shot and BUCK shot?

Uh, yes, I do. When I was a kid I hunted doves with birdshot. As an adult, I have a Mossberg loaded with 00 Buck in case Big Bird shows up uninvited.

Well, then... maybe you can tell us why this is such a HUGE deal when someone got shot with BBs. :D

Tell you what. The man in question was shot with 8 shot at 30 yards with a 28 gauge. I'll drop it down to a .410, use 9 shot and you can stand 35 yards away and I'll shoot at you. And then I'll believe you when you say it isn't a big deal.

Oh, and 8 shot is a lot smaller than BBs. Still doesn't make it any less dangerous to get shot with at a 30 yards.

400 posted on 02/13/2006 12:56:10 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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